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Page 1 043-02.pdf - 1 . INDYKE and RICHARD D. KAHN, in their capacities as executors of the ESTATE OF JEFFREY E. EPSTEIN, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, an individual, Defendants. Case...
Page 2 043-02.pdf - 2 il 24, 2020 which attached a copy of the Complaint in this matter (ECF No. 9) and the summons as to Ghislaine Maxwell (ECF No. 17). We did not receive...
Page 5 043-02.pdf - 5 e to serve said person.I attempted service on this servee on the following dates and times: Servee: Ghislaine Maxwell Documents: COMPLAINT FOR DAMAGES...
Page 6 043-02.pdf - 6 e to serve said person.I attempted service on this servee on the following dates and times: Servee: Ghislaine Maxwell Documents: COMPLAINT FOR DAMAGES...
Page 7 043-02.pdf - 7 RT District of New York KAHN, in their capacities as executors of the ESTATE OF JEFFREY E. EPSTEIN, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, an individual For: Kevin Boyle,...
Page 9 043-02.pdf - 9 RT District of New York KAHN, in their capacities as executors of the ESTATE OF JEFFREY E. EPSTEIN, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, an individual For: Kevin Boyle,...
Page 11 043-02.pdf - 11 t unless required by Fed. R. Civ. P. 4 (I)) This summons for (name of individual and title, if any) GHISLAINE MAXWELL - - - - --- - ---- - ---------- ...
Page 15 043-02.pdf - 15 d litigation filed in the Southern District of New York. It is our understanding that you represent Ghislaine Maxwell in a related action entitled Far...
Page 17 043-02.pdf - 17 es as executors of the ESTATE OF JEFFREY E. EPSTEIN, et al. JANE DOE, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK Ghislaine Maxwell 116 East 65th Street, New York, ...
Page 19 043-02.pdf - 19 . INDYKE and RICHARD D. KAHN, in their capacities as executors of the ESTATE OF JEFFREY E. EPSTEIN, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, an individual, Defendants. Case...
Page 20 043-02.pdf - 20 New York and who was sexually abused while she was a minor by Defendants in New York. 5. Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell is domiciled in the State of New ...
Page 27 043-02.pdf - 27 KE and RICHARD D. KAHN, as legal representatives of the Estate of Jeffrey E. Epstein, and Defendant GHISLAINE MAXWELL are liable for the violations of...
Page 30 043-02.pdf - 30 yke, et al., Dear Mr. Glassman: I am not authorized to accept service of any complaint on behalf of Ghislaine Maxwell. Your statement that your letter...
Page 32 043-02.pdf - 32 he plaintiff, Sarah Ransome 1 , has moved the Court to approve alternative service on the defendant Ghislaine Maxwell and to find that service has bee...
Page 588 059.pdf - 588 :s) 1pursuit of Justice for us victi:ms:::::) (It-has given me hope, and-I) tWhenI was recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell ay tl:rreak, and-I'a.-6eal5leto ...
Page 590 059.pdf - 590 oday to speaK on behalfof my siste"r--;-Maria) !Farmer, wno coula.no"t-benere .) ~effrey___]pstein, Ghislaine Maxwell not only assaulted\ !her, wt as ...
Page 621 059.pdf - 621 y. When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account of the woman he was dating: Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 36 074.pdf - 36 y. When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account of the woman he was dating: Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 137 074.pdf - 137 y. When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account of the woman he was dating: Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 2 1078-5.pdf - 2 ho called himself her "Godfather" - when she was 13 years old. Jane Doe met Epstein and his friend, Ghislaine Maxwell, in the summer of 1994 at Michig...
Page 3 1078-5.pdf - 3 llegedly rape her the next year. 5114159 Feds finally start investigating Jeffrey Epstein's gal pal Ghislaine Maxwell "In 1997, while at Epstein's tow...
Page 4 1078-5.pdf - 4 I 3:24pm Former teen "sex slave" Virginia Roberts Giuffre says she finally fled Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell after three years, when they ask...
Page 5 1078-5.pdf - 5 Edwards writes in an excerpt published in the Daily Mail. "She knew she had to escape." FILED UNDER GHISLAINE MAXWELL, JEFFREY EPSTEIN, PRINCE ANDREW,...
Page 6 1078-5.pdf - 6 March 28, 2020 Socialite Ghislaine Maxwell 'groped a 16-year-old girl during a naked massage,' victims' lawyer says dailymail.co.uk/news/artic
Page 7 1078-5.pdf - 7 Ghislaine Maxwell, 58, attending to an Alzheimer's Association event in New York in 2010 2/6 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP D
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Page 12 1078-5.pdf - 12 AP Document 1078-5 Filed 07/29/20 Page 12 of 161 NEWS When will feds arrest Jeffrey Epstein 'fixer' Ghislaine Maxwell? By Ben Feuerherd Jeffrey Epstei...
Page 13 1078-5.pdf - 13 to depose Maxwell and have her respond to written questions related to the alleged sexual abuse. ~ Ghislaine Maxwell Paul Bruinooge/Patrick McMullan v...
Page 15 1078-5.pdf - 15 June 3, 2020 Ghislaine Maxwell felt no guilt in procuring girls for Jeffrey Epstein, claims friend dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-
Page 16 1078-5.pdf - 16 Christina Oxenberg claims that Ghislaine Maxwell felt no guilt in procuring girls for Jeffrey Epstein to satisfy his 'incredible sex drive' in Quest
Page 17 1078-5.pdf - 17 Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts, aged 17 at Ghislaine Maxwell's townhouse in London, Britain on March 13, 2001 The documentary dives headfirst into...
Page 21 1078-5.pdf - 21 Detected in image via Rekognition
Page 27 1078-5.pdf - 27 3-LAP Document 1078-5 Filed 07/29/20 Page 27 of 161 lbe Wasbington Jlost Democracy Dies in Darkness Ghislaine Maxwell, longtime associate of Jeffrey E...
Page 34 1078-5.pdf - 34 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1078-5 Filed 07/29/20 Page 34 of 161 METRO Ghislaine Maxwell leaves luxe life behind for tiny jail cell in Brooklyn By...
Page 36 1078-5.pdf - 36 -LAP Document 1078-5 Filed 07/29/20 Page 36 of 161 VIDEO LIVE SHOWS 2020 ELECTIONS CORONA VIRUS For Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's alleged recruiter, a ...
Page 37 1078-5.pdf - 37 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1078-5 Filed 07/29/20 Page 37 of 161 8 Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell attend de Grisogono Sponsors The 2005 Wal...
Page 38 1078-5.pdf - 38 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1078-5 Filed 07/29/20 Page 38 of 161 8 Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell attend an event in New York City, June 13...
Page 39 1078-5.pdf - 39 other co-conspirators have attempted to thwart their victims from obtaining justice for decades." 8 Ghislaine Maxwell at Spring Studios in New Yark Ci...
Page 40 1078-5.pdf - 40 calls and more information coming in." But her role in Epstein's story, he said, is already clear. "Ghislaine Maxwell created Jeffrey Epstein," Edward...
Page 43 1078-5.pdf - 43 July 11, 2020 'I'm no Cruella de Vil': Ghislaine Maxwell insists she is not an 'evil villain' dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8513675/Im-no-Cruella-Vil-G...
Page 44 1078-5.pdf - 44 Ghislaine Maxwell, 58, has rounded on her accusers, insisting that her portrayal as a ‘cartoon caricature of a villai
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Page 56 1078-5.pdf - 56 ers': Four more women accused of supplying young girls for him to abuse face probe as it's revealed Ghislaine Maxwell moved house 36 times in a year b...
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Page 67 1078-5.pdf - 67 Ghislaine Maxwell breaks down in tears as she is DENIED bail and must stay locked up until her July 2021 trial as jud
Page 69 1078-5.pdf - 69 +18 Ghislaine Maxwell cried as she was denied bail on Tuesday and learned she must stay locked up until her trial next su
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Page 76 1078-5.pdf - 76 ern District of New York Audrey Strauss speaks during a news conference to announce charges against Ghislaine Maxwell Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document ...
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Page 81 1078-5.pdf - 81 W YORK -----·------------------·------------------·- --------------x U ITED ST ATES OF AMERICA -v.- GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. ----·-·-------------...
Page 90 1078-5.pdf - 90 made clear they want Maxwell remanded in custody and say they were 'directly abused as a result of Ghislaine Maxwell's actions'. The document states: ...
Page 92 1078-5.pdf - 92 July 15, 2020 Ghislaine Maxwell's attack-the-victim strategy may backfire bnnbloomberg.ca/ghislaine-maxwell-may-play-the-victim-car
Page 94 1078-5.pdf - 94 dentified only as Jane Doe. It’s possible that the woman may testify at the trial as well. “Without Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein could not have ...
Page 95 1078-5.pdf - 95 July 16, 2020 Ghislaine Maxwell's neighbours tried to make her leave town dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8525759/Neighbors-Ghislaine-
Page 96 1078-5.pdf - 96 ned she was involved with Epstein they decided to try to limit how much they could use their land.' Ghislaine Maxwell and Scott Borgerson's neighbors ...
Page 107 1078-5.pdf - 107 Detected in image via Rekognition
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Page 113 1078-5.pdf - 113 k/news/article-8535303/Jeffrey-Epsteins-victim-Maria-Farmer-claims-British-socialite-set-trap.html 'Ghislaine Maxwell was the mastermind': Jeffrey Eps...
Page 114 1078-5.pdf - 114 . . . they’re very important benefactors of the academy,’ she was told. It was Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, and they got the painting they w...
Page 122 1078-5.pdf - 122 Detected in image via Rekognition
Page 126 1078-5.pdf - 126 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1078-5 Filed 07/29/20 Page 126 of 161 NEWS Ghislaine Maxwell was 'a sexual predator,' alleged victim says in new testi...
Page 127 1078-5.pdf - 127 age ... Maxwell directed Annie to take off all of her clothes and lay on the massage table. 1114119 Ghislaine Maxwell's 'lieutenant' Sarah Kellen may ...
Page 128 1078-5.pdf - 128 July 21, 2020 Ghislaine Maxwell paid $25k to Jacob Wohl to 'smear victims' dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8531293/Ghislaine-Maxwell-p
Page 129 1078-5.pdf - 129 6.7k shares Ghislaine Maxwell hired fake news purveyor Jacob Wohl to smear her and Jeffrey Epstein's alleged victims, a former fr
Page 130 1078-5.pdf - 130 Ghislaine Maxwell hired fake news purveyor and accused felon Jacob Wohl to smear alleged victims of her and Jeffrey E
Page 149 1078-5.pdf - 149 e 149 of 161 /I .. !r~~'-. MAUREEN CA11ANAN OPINION Authorities are letting Jeffrey Epstein's fixer Ghislaine Maxwell get awaywithit By Maureen Callah...
Page 150 1078-5.pdf - 150 nternational waters. Her whereabouts are well known. Yet we're still playing "Where in the World is Ghislaine Maxwell?" i;:;Luxury apartments on on Av...
Page 151 1078-5.pdf - 151 ask hard and painful questions in pursuit of a fairer and freer world. - ADVERTISEMENT - Don't let Ghislaine Maxwell benefit from this as a distractio...
Page 152 1078-5.pdf - 152 July 29, 2020 Ghislaine Maxwell latest news: Socialite and Jeffrey Epstein said to have had ‘mysterious’ relationship over the year
Page 154 1078-5.pdf - 154 wave” of younger victims too afraid to even tell their parents. ⚠️Click here for the latest news on Ghislaine Maxwell 1/6 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Docum...
Page 160 1078-5.pdf - 160 July 29, 2020 Ghislaine Maxwell latest news: Socialite and Jeffrey Epstein said to have had ‘mysterious’ relationship over the year
Page 1 1218-49.pdf - 1 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK VIRGINIA GIUFFRE, Plaintiff, -against- GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. Index No. 15 Civ. 74...
Page 22 1218-49.pdf - 22 s both completely unbelievable on its face, and demonstrably untrue. For example, she claims that: “Ghislaine Maxwell went to pick up Bill [Clinton] i...
Page 24 1218-49.pdf - 24 not begin working there until April 11, 2000. Ms. Giuffre has repeatedly stated that she first met Ghislaine Maxwell at the Mar-A-Lago where she had a...
Page 25 1218-49.pdf - 25 uted an affidavit in which she alleged that: “In approximately 1999, when I was 15 years old, I met Ghislaine Maxwell . . . Soon after that I went to ...
Page 2 1320-12.pdf - 2 NO. 15-CV-07433-RWS ------------------------------------------x VIRGINIA L. GIUFFRE, Plaintiff, v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. ---------------------...
Page 5 1320-12.pdf - 5 Videotape No. 1 in the 3 deposition of Johanna Sjoberg, in the matter of 4 Virginia Giuffre versus Ghislaine Maxwell. 5 Today is May 18th, 2016. The t...
Page 9 1320-12.pdf - 9 Page 8 1 Q. Okay. Great. 2 All right. Do you know a female by the 3 name of Ghislaine Maxwell? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. And when did you first meet Ms. Maxwell?...
Page 30 1320-12.pdf - 30 Page 29 1 Q. Did you ever see Ghislaine Maxwell during 2 that trip laying out by the pool? 3 A. There was one time where we were all by 4 the pool,
Page 45 1320-12.pdf - 45 o is ? 17 A. She was one of the girls that was around. 18 Q. Was around both Jeffrey Epstein 19 and Ghislaine Maxwell? 20 A. I don't recall. 21 Q. Do ...
Page 53 1320-12.pdf - 53 A. No. 13 Q. And how old are you now? 14 A. 15 Q. Can you tell me about your first meeting 16 with Ghislaine Maxwell? 17 A. Sure. I was sitting on a b...
Page 55 1320-12.pdf - 55 it sounds like you guys got into a 9 conversation; is that fair? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Can you describe Ghislaine Maxwell's 12 personality? 13 A. Well, I i...
Page 85 1320-12.pdf - 85 you went? 15 A. From there, I went to bed. 16 Q. Were people drinking? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Did you hear Ghislaine Maxwell tell 19 Virginia to do anything ...
Page 95 1320-12.pdf - 95 e plane? 4 A. No. He told me a story of something that 5 had happened one time. 6 Q. Did it involve Ghislaine Maxwell? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Did it involve Vi...
Page 109 1320-12.pdf - 109 Page 108 1 Q. Did you attempt to have any conversation 2 like that with Ghislaine Maxwell? 3 A. No. 4 Q. I saw one press report that said you had 5 me...
Page 110 1320-12.pdf - 110 Page 109 1 being flown by Ghislaine Maxwell? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Did Ghislaine Maxwell ever tell you that 4 she had flown Bill Clinton in her helicop
Page 117 1320-12.pdf - 117 15 A. No. 16 Q. Did Jeffrey ever ask you to go have sex 17 with another person? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Did Ghislaine Maxwell ever ask you to go 20 have sex w...
Page 125 1320-12.pdf - 125 ad some. 23 BY MS. MENNINGER: 24 Q. In this meeting with Virginia and the 25 investigator, you said Ghislaine Maxwell did not Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP D...
Page 134 1320-12.pdf - 134 TNESS: No. 15 BY MS. MENNINGER: 16 Q. You testified earlier about an incident 17 with a camera that Ghislaine Maxwell had given you. 18 I want to ask ...
Page 138 1320-12.pdf - 138 And you did not? 14 A. Correct. 15 Q. And what did you tell them about specific 16 times of seeing Ghislaine Maxwell naked? 17 A. Only when she would ...
Page 139 1320-12.pdf - 139 er under a towel during 2 massages? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Is there any other time that you recall 5 seeing Ghislaine Maxwell naked? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Is there an...
Page 154 1320-12.pdf - 154 Q. Do you know whether Virginia Roberts has 20 told the truth about the age she was when she met 21 Ghislaine Maxwell? 22 MS. McCAWLEY: Objection. Exc...
Page 155 1320-12.pdf - 155 a Roberts is telling 3 the truth about whether she spent her sweet 16th 4 birthday with Jeffrey and Ghislaine Maxwell? 5 MS. McCAWLEY: Objection. 6 TH...
Page 156 1320-12.pdf - 156 Q. Do you have any knowledge about whether 6 Virginia Roberts is telling the truth about whether 7 Ghislaine Maxwell directed her to have sex with 8 P...
Page 157 1320-12.pdf - 157 Page 156 1 BY MS. MENNINGER: 2 Q. Do you know whether Virginia Roberts is 3 telling the truth about Ghislaine Maxwell forcing 4 her to participate in ...
Page 2 1327-29.pdf - 2 NO. 15-CV-07433-RWS ------------------------------------------x VIRGINIA L. GIUFFRE, Plaintiff, v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. ---------------------...
Page 6 1327-29.pdf - 6 Page 29 1 Q. Did you ever see Ghislaine Maxwell during 2 that trip laying out by the pool? 3 A. There was one time where we were all by 4 the pool,
Page 14 1327-29.pdf - 14 e plane? 4 A. No. He told me a story of something that 5 had happened one time. 6 Q. Did it involve Ghislaine Maxwell? 7 A. No. 8 Q. Did it involve Vi...
Page 29 1327-29.pdf - 29 15 A. No. 16 Q. Did Jeffrey ever ask you to go have sex 17 with another person? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Did Ghislaine Maxwell ever ask you to go 20 have sex w...
Page 35 1327-29.pdf - 35 Q. Do you know whether Virginia Roberts has 20 told the truth about the age she was when she met 21 Ghislaine Maxwell? 22 MS. McCAWLEY: Objection. Exc...
Page 1 1330-04.pdf - 1 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK VIRGINIA GIUFFRE, Plaintiff, -against- GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. Index No. 15 Civ. 74...
Page 22 1330-04.pdf - 22 s both completely unbelievable on its face, and demonstrably untrue. For example, she claims that: “Ghislaine Maxwell went to pick up Bill [Clinton] i...
Page 24 1330-04.pdf - 24 not begin working there until April 11, 2000. Ms. Giuffre has repeatedly stated that she first met Ghislaine Maxwell at the Mar-A-Lago where she had a...
Page 25 1330-04.pdf - 25 uted an affidavit in which she alleged that: “In approximately 1999, when I was 15 years old, I met Ghislaine Maxwell . . . Soon after that I went to ...
Page 37 1338.pdf - 37 el Stroll Address CmTently Unknown 141. Douglas Shoettle 243 Riverside, Dr. New York, NY 10025 142. Ghislaine Maxwell Address Cunently Unknown 143. Am...
Page 62 1338.pdf - 62 l Stroll Address Cun-ently Unknown 140. Douglas Shoettle 243 Riverside, Dr. New York, NY 10025 141. Ghislaine Maxwell Address Currently Unknown 142. R...
Page 24 146.pdf - 24 y. When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account of the woman he was dating: Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter ofthe late British med...
Page 26 153.pdf - 26 y. When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account of the woman he was dating: Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 36 166.pdf - 36 y. When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account of the woman he was dating: Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 137 166.pdf - 137 ty. When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account ofthe woman he was dating: Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 40 171.pdf - 40 ting attacks, largely triggered by stress. It's called Cyclic Vomiting Syndrome. I was recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell. Upon my first meeting of her, I...
Page 52 171.pdf - 52 up what needs to be brought to light. Jeffrey is no longer here, and the women that helped him are, Ghislaine Maxwell. My experience is with Ghislaine...
Page 53 171.pdf - 53 erts, R-o-b-e-r-t-s, Giuffre, G-i-u, double F, for Fred, -r-e. I am a victim of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell in the dark and cruel and crimin...
Page 54 171.pdf - 54 Thank you, your Honor. My name is Sarah Ransome, R-a-n-s-o-m-e. I'm a victim of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's international sex trafficking ...
Page 55 171.pdf - 55 m here today to speak on behalf of my sister, Maria Farmer, who could not be here. Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell not only assaulted her, but as w...
Page 86 171.pdf - 86 y; When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account of the woman he was dating: Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 3 2023.06 OIG Memorandum 23-085.pdf - 3 or the Second Circuit unsealed approximately 2,000 pages of documents in civil litigation involving Ghislaine Maxwell, who was later convicted in Dece...
Page 26 2023.06 OIG Memorandum 23-085.pdf - 26 for the Second Circuit unseals approximately 2,000 pages of documents in civil litigation involving Ghislaine Maxwell, who is later convicted in Decem...
Page 57 2023.06 OIG Memorandum 23-085.pdf - 57 berts Giuffre, a woman who alleged that Epstein had victimized her when she was a teenager, against Ghislaine Maxwell.31 As a result of the court’s or...
Page 23 205.pdf - 23 y. When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account of the woman he was dating: Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 21 363-11.pdf - 21 Boies’s firm is currently only representing Roberts in a defamation case against British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell for saying that Roberts made “obv...
Page 29 363-11.pdf - 29 e, the Herald story reported, with anonymous women accusing him in federal court of conspiring with Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 38 363-11.pdf - 38 ince last year, Boies Schiller has been representing Giuffre in her defamation suit against heiress Ghislaine Maxwell, who allegedly recruited her to ...
Page 4 773-04 (1).pdf - 4 in’s victims “Jane Doe #102” has alleged that she was initially approached at Trump’s Mar-A-Lago by Ghislaine Maxwell and recruited to be Maxwell and ...
Page 5 773-04 (1).pdf - 5 ght have relevant information about Epstein. They include: · Clinton’s “well known” friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell, an alleged enabler of Epstein’s...
Page 4 773-04.pdf - 4 in’s victims “Jane Doe #102” has alleged that she was initially approached at Trump’s Mar-A-Lago by Ghislaine Maxwell and recruited to be Maxwell and ...
Page 5 773-04.pdf - 5 ght have relevant information about Epstein. They include: · Clinton’s “well known” friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell, an alleged enabler of Epstein’s...
Page 5 787-01.pdf - 5 by convicted sex offender Epstein as a reward for having sex with the prince at the London home of Ghislaine Maxwell in 2001. Buckingham Palace has de...
Page 17 787-01.pdf - 17 ained to be "everything a man wanted me to be" by Epstein a⼅er she was allegedly recruited at 15 by Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of disgraced newsp...
Page 25 787-01.pdf - 25 er to Europe and North Africa in 2001. During a stop in London they called on his former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of crooked media mogul...
Page 27 787-01.pdf - 27 bedrooms. A spokesman said: “These matters are subject to ongoing litigation. We have no comment.” Ghislaine Maxwell branded claims against her as “un...
Page 36 787-01.pdf - 36 , and Jessica. Epstein’s two major pimps are also frequent flyers on Epstein’s “Pederast Airlines” — Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of the late publis...
Page 39 787-01.pdf - 39 against Andrew – claims her contact with Epstein began when she was approached at the age of 15 by Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of the late media m...
Page 40 787-01.pdf - 40 said the claims were “not new and have been fully responded to and shown to be untrue”. It added: “Ghislaine Maxwell’s original response to the lies a...
Page 49 787-01.pdf - 49 se scrutiny he faced over his relationships with Epstein and other controversial ×gures. Meanwhile, Ghislaine Maxwell, an associate of Epstein, has br...
Page 54 787-01.pdf - 54 e scrutiny he faced over his relationships with Epstein and other controversial figures. Meanwhile, Ghislaine Maxwell, an associate of Epstein, has br...
Page 59 787-01.pdf - 59 money manager. Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s lawsuit, äled Monday in Manhattan Federal Court, alleges Ghislaine Maxwell defamed her by denying Roberts’ s...
Page 61 787-01.pdf - 61 he Prince, and paid to give erotic massages to the tycoon and his associates. She also claimed that Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of disgraced tycoon Ro...
Page 62 787-01.pdf - 62 s Roberts's account differs. She says she first encountered Epstein and later Prince Andrew through Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the disgraced newsp...
Page 63 787-01.pdf - 63 iss Roberts's first tryst with the then 41­year­old Prince allegedly took place later that night at Ghislaine Maxwell's London townhouse. "All of us w...
Page 66 787-01.pdf - 66 berg said the allegations were old and salacious and had been consistently proven to have no merit. Ghislaine Maxwell was not available for comment bu...
Page 71 787-01.pdf - 71 — The ill Cos defense is now the ill Cos o㇛�ense. Virginia Roerts is suing ritish socialite Ghislaine Maxwell - whom she accuses of pimping he...
Page 72 787-01.pdf - 72 tein trafficked her for sex when she was a teenager may pursue a lawsuit accusing British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell of defamation for calling her al...
Page 35 795 (1).pdf - 35 Epstein (Exhibit "B"). As recounted in detail in this Complaint, Jane Doe 102 was 15 years old when Ghislaine Maxwell discovered her and lured her to ...
Page 38 795 (1).pdf - 38 ked through the efforts of Epstein and others. For example, Edwards learned through deposition that Ghislaine Maxwell was involved in managing Epstein...
Page 39 795 (1).pdf - 39 ntly flying to England with no intention of returning to the United States. Despite that assertion, Ghislaine Maxwell was in fact in the country on Ju...
Page 41 795 (1).pdf - 41 nal pilot), Louella Rabuyo (Epstein's housekeeper), Nadia Marcinkova (Epstein's live-in sex slave), Ghislaine Maxwell (manager of Epstein's affairs an...
Page 42 795 (1).pdf - 42 inton's deposition. Edwards possessed a legitimate basis for doing so: (a) Clinton was friends with Ghislaine Maxwell who was Epstein's longtime compa...
Page 43 795 (1).pdf - 43 05. See Flight logs attached hereto as Exhibit "MM." Clinton traveled on many of those flights with Ghislaine Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, and Adriana Mucin...
Page 44 795 (1).pdf - 44 with a passel of Nobel Prize-winning scientists, CEOs like Leslie Wexner of the Limited, socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, even Donald Trump. But it wasn't...
Page 61 795 (1).pdf - 61 e that Sarah Kellen, Larry Visoski, Larry Harrison, David Rogers, Louella Rabuyo, Nadia Marcinkova, Ghislaine Maxwell, Mark Epstein, and Janusz Banasi...
Page 62 795 (1).pdf - 62 NOT A CERTIFIED COPY 12. In light of information I received suggesting that British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, former girlfriend and long-time frien...
Page 63 795 (1).pdf - 63 position. Clinton was properly noticed because: (a) it was well known that Clinton was friends with Ghislaine Maxwell. and several witnesses had provi...
Page 64 795 (1).pdf - 64 aintances of Clinton fall into; (f) flight logs showed that Clinton took many flights with Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, and Adriana Mucin...
Page 125 795 (1).pdf - 125 s about the circumstances of your first meeting Mr. Epstein. Ok. I was introduced to Mr. Epstein by Ghislaine Maxwell. I was working at Donald Trump's...
Page 198 795 (1).pdf - 198 sations that you were having? A. I don't remember that. Q. Do you recall discussing with Ivlr. Rush Ghislaine Maxwell? Or in fact, let me ask it this ...
Page 199 795 (1).pdf - 199 d you -- did any of your clients claim or have any of your clients claimed to have any contact with Ghislaine Maxwell at all? A That is something that...
Page 35 795.pdf - 35 Epstein (Exhibit "B"). As recounted in detail in this Complaint, Jane Doe 102 was 15 years old when Ghislaine Maxwell discovered her and lured her to ...
Page 38 795.pdf - 38 ked through the efforts of Epstein and others. For example, Edwards learned through deposition that Ghislaine Maxwell was involved in managing Epstein...
Page 39 795.pdf - 39 ntly flying to England with no intention of returning to the United States. Despite that assertion, Ghislaine Maxwell was in fact in the country on Ju...
Page 41 795.pdf - 41 nal pilot), Louella Rabuyo (Epstein's housekeeper), Nadia Marcinkova (Epstein's live-in sex slave), Ghislaine Maxwell (manager of Epstein's affairs an...
Page 42 795.pdf - 42 inton's deposition. Edwards possessed a legitimate basis for doing so: (a) Clinton was friends with Ghislaine Maxwell who was Epstein's longtime compa...
Page 43 795.pdf - 43 05. See Flight logs attached hereto as Exhibit "MM." Clinton traveled on many of those flights with Ghislaine Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, and Adriana Mucin...
Page 44 795.pdf - 44 with a passel of Nobel Prize-winning scientists, CEOs like Leslie Wexner of the Limited, socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, even Donald Trump. But it wasn't...
Page 61 795.pdf - 61 e that Sarah Kellen, Larry Visoski, Larry Harrison, David Rogers, Louella Rabuyo, Nadia Marcinkova, Ghislaine Maxwell, Mark Epstein, and Janusz Banasi...
Page 62 795.pdf - 62 NOT A CERTIFIED COPY 12. In light of information I received suggesting that British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, former girlfriend and long-time frien...
Page 63 795.pdf - 63 position. Clinton was properly noticed because: (a) it was well known that Clinton was friends with Ghislaine Maxwell. and several witnesses had provi...
Page 64 795.pdf - 64 aintances of Clinton fall into; (f) flight logs showed that Clinton took many flights with Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, and Adriana Mucin...
Page 125 795.pdf - 125 s about the circumstances of your first meeting Mr. Epstein. Ok. I was introduced to Mr. Epstein by Ghislaine Maxwell. I was working at Donald Trump's...
Page 198 795.pdf - 198 sations that you were having? A. I don't remember that. Q. Do you recall discussing with Ivlr. Rush Ghislaine Maxwell? Or in fact, let me ask it this ...
Page 199 795.pdf - 199 d you -- did any of your clients claim or have any of your clients claimed to have any contact with Ghislaine Maxwell at all? A That is something that...
Page 2 EFTA00005578.pdf VOL00003 2 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PROCEEDINGS (10:05 a.m.)
Page 3 EFTA00005578.pdf VOL00003 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 same preliminary questions that we went ...
Page 4 EFTA00005578.pdf VOL00003 4 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 hands. Now, as I menti
Page 5 EFTA00005578.pdf VOL00003 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 copy of the transcript of that testimony...
Page 6 EFTA00005578.pdf VOL00003 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 for that case is in fact 15 Civ. 7433 no...
Page 7 EFTA00005578.pdf VOL00003 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 voting on the indictment last week are t...
Page 1 EFTA00005707.pdf VOL00004 1 it Contact: SSA Approved By: Drafted By: Case ID #: 31E-MM-108062 (Pending) Title: JEFFREY EPSTEIN; GHISLAINE MAXWELL; WSTA - CHILD PROSTITUTION Synop...
Page 1 EFTA00005714.pdf VOL00004 1 ffice Contact: Approved By: Drafted By: Case ID ii: 31E-MM-108062 (Pending) Title: JEFFREY EPSTEIN; GHISLAINE MAXWELL; WSTA - CHILD PROSTITUTION Synop...
Page 3 EFTA00006036.pdf VOL00004 3 ses important information relative to the death of Jeffrey Epstein along with information regarding Ghislaine Maxwell and he possesses relevant inform...
Page 1 EFTA00007585.pdf VOL00004 1 e6fr? ) CO •••••••00-• - CiAlh. -I Ghislaine Maxwell EFTA00007585
Page 13 EFTA00007585.pdf VOL00004 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL EFTA00007597
Page 3 EFTA00007617.pdf VOL00004 3 (..R (12'1— Ghislaine Maxwell EFTA00007619
Page 6 EFTA00007617.pdf VOL00004 6 c Ghislaine Maxwell EFTA00007622
Page 7 EFTA00007617.pdf VOL00004 7 Ghislaine Maxwell EFTA00007623
Page 8 EFTA00007617.pdf VOL00004 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL EFTA00007624
Page 15 EFTA00007893.pdf VOL00004 15 g Reason 1 32 2rj Submit's MX Account Number Account Two 11)13A Account Title IJE/PREY E EPSTEIN OR GHISLAINE MAXWELL OR A Office Location 35 ‘Ari 1st...
Page 22 EFTA00007893.pdf VOL00004 22 IMII 12/10/04 JEFFREY E EPSTEIN GHISLAINE MAXWELL HOUSEHOLD ACCOUNT DDA STATEMENT HISTORY 10.02.11 PAGE 1 OR ACCOUNT OR ALFREDO RODRIGUEZ ipplopplimp
Page 23 EFTA00007893.pdf VOL00004 23 IMII 12/10/04 DDA STATEMENT HISTORY JEFFREY E EPSTEIN OR ACCOUNT 1.1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL OR ALFREDO RODRIGUEZ DATE LAS srArEmbw.1 HOUSEHOLD ACCOUNT DATE...
Page 24 EFTA00007893.pdf VOL00004 24 . • IMI3 12/10/04 JEFFREY E EPSTEIN OR GHISLAINE MAXWELL OR ALFREDO HOUSEHOLD ACCOUNT DDA STATEMENT INQUIRY ACCOUNT I 10.02.31 PAGE 1 RODRIGUEZ DATE T...
Page 41 EFTA00007893.pdf VOL00004 41 • • JEJan.O. 2005;i11:20AMDR . . GHISLAINE MAXWELL OR HOUSEHOLD ACCOUNT BALANCE .LAST STATEMENT • 6264.27 UVA bilii.GMtNT INQUIRY ACCOUNT DATE THIS DA
Page 44 EFTA00007893.pdf VOL00004 44 Mr. Jeffrey Epstein (NYSG LLC ) Office 457, Madison Avenue 4th Floor New York, NY 10021. Email Ms. Ghislaine Maxwell Email Accountants (st-ater • Bell...
Page 45 EFTA00007893.pdf VOL00004 45 a itio k COI LO 026 116 East 65i°.Strcet New York NY 10021 Ms Ghislaine Maxwell Email Staff r House Managers 358 El Brillo Way, Palm Beach Florida 330...
Page 1 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 1 JURY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA • • -V- : November 19, 2019 Additional GHISLAINE MAXWELL (2018R01618) APPEARANCE S: -x Uni...
Page 4 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 4 a little difficult under the circumstances. BY MS. Q. Have you participated in an investigation of Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes, I have. Q. Have you spok...
Page 6 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 6 e first slide. Who are the individuals depicted in these photographs? A. The picture on the left is Ghislaine Maxwell, and the picture on the right is...
Page 10 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 10 90's? A. Yes, he did. Q. And at the time came to work for Epstein in Palm Beach, was Epstein dating Ghislaine Maxwell at that point? A. Not at that ti...
Page 13 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 13 nd is Interlochen Summer Arts Program located in. Michigan? A. Yes. Q. Did meet Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell that summer? A. Yes, she did. Q....
Page 17 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 17 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/29/20 i Q. Are those Ghislaine Maxwell's initials? A. Yes. Q. Have you obtained any...
Page 44 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 44 er describing Epstein's townhouse in Manhattan? A. Yes. Q. And does he remember talking often about Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes. Q. Now, based on your i...
Page 45 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 45 ool whether was being sexually abused by Epstein? A. He didn't know back then. Q. Did III ever meet Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes, he did. Q. What did he ...
Page 50 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 50 estified just a moment ago that she was also told that Maxwell would be there. Are you referring to Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes. Q. At the point that sh...
Page 51 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 51 06/29/20 51 Q. Did she meet Ghislaine Maxwell when she arrived in 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 New Mexico? A.
Page 54 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 54 interviewed what was her demeanor like when she described her interactions with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell? A. She became upset, emotional....
Page 55 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 55 . Did grow up in England? A. Yes, she did. Q. Did she tell you that there came a point when she met Ghislaine Maxwell when she was about 17? A. Yes. F...
Page 56 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 56 me period that we've been talking about today? A. Yes. Q. What happened after she was introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell from what she told you? A. She s...
Page 67 EFTA00008631.pdf VOL00006 67 was about. Have you become aware that in or about 2015 an individual named filed a lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell here in the Southern District of ...
Page 1 EFTA00008708.pdf VOL00006 1 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES GRAND JURY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -v- GHISLAINE MAXWELL (2018R01618) APPEARANCE S: : Nove...
Page 2 EFTA00008708.pdf VOL00006 2 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 2 PROCEEDINGS 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (10:05 a.m.)
Page 3 EFTA00008708.pdf VOL00006 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 same preliminary questions that we went ...
Page 4 EFTA00008708.pdf VOL00006 4 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 hands. Now, as I mention
Page 5 EFTA00008708.pdf VOL00006 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 copy of the transcript of that testimony...
Page 6 EFTA00008708.pdf VOL00006 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 for that case is in fact 15 Civ. 7433 no...
Page 7 EFTA00008708.pdf VOL00006 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 7 voting on the indictment last week are...
Page 1 EFTA00008716.pdf VOL00006 1 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell June 29, 2020 Grand Jury Presentation GM_GLSDNY_00000103 EFTA00008716
Page 12 EFTA00008716.pdf VOL00006 12 Interlochen December 23, 1994 Ghislaine Maxwell c/o J. House 457 Madison Avenue New York, NY 10022 Dear Ghislaine: Enclosed is the envelope we rece
Page 22 EFTA00008716.pdf VOL00006 22 22, 2016 Deposition UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK Plaintiff, -against- GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendants. Case No.: 15-cv-074...
Page 25 EFTA00008716.pdf VOL00006 25 22, 2016 Deposition UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK Plaintiff, -against- GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. x Case No.: 15-cv-07...
Page 1 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 1 ND JURY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -x -V- : January 19, 2021 Additional GHISLAINE MAXWELL (2018R01618) APPEARANCE S: x Uni...
Page 3 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 3 involved in an investigation into Jeffrey Epstein and his associates, including an individual named Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes. Q. During your investig...
Page 6 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 6 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MS. Q. "Have you participated in an investigation of Ghislaine Maxwell?" A. "Yes, I have." Q. "Have you...
Page 7 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 7 first slide. Who are the individuals depicted in these photographs?" A. "The picture on the left is Ghislaine Maxwell, and the picture on the right is...
Page 11 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 11 990s?" A. "Yes, he did." Q. "At the time came to work for Epstein in Palm Beach, was Epstein dating Ghislaine Maxwell at that point?" A. "Not at that ...
Page 15 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 15 is Interlochen summer arts program located in Michigan?" A. "Yes." Q. "Did meet Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell that summer?" A. "Yes, she did."...
Page 19 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. "Yes, they do." Q. "Are those Ghislaine Maxwell's initials?" A. "Yes." Q. "Have y...
Page 47 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 47 escribing Epstein's townhouse in Manhattan?" A. "Yes." Q. "And does he remember talking often about Ghislaine Maxwell?" A. "Yes." Q. "Now based on you...
Page 53 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 53 7 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 03/29/2021 53 also told that Maxwell would be there. Are you referring to Ghislaine Maxwell?" A. "Yes." Q. "At the point tha...
Page 54 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 54 21 22 23 24 25 shopping which made her feel special." Q. "What does she remember talking about with Ghislaine Maxwell?" A. "They talked about school, ...
Page 57 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 57 terviewed , what was her demeanor like when she described her interactions with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell?" A. "She became upset and emoti...
Page 58 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 58 in England?" 17 A. "Yes, she did." 18 Q. "Did she tell you that there came a point where 19 she met Ghislaine Maxwell when she was about 17?" 20 A. "Y...
Page 59 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 59 eriod that we've been talking about today?" A. "Yes." Q. "What happened after she was introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell, from what she told you?" A. "Sh...
Page 70 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 70 was about. Have you become aware that in or about 2015 an individual named filed a lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell here in the Southern District of ...
Page 112 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 112 to the next slide. Does this slide show three additional flights that took with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell when she was 17 years old? A. Ye...
Page 113 EFTA00008744.pdf VOL00006 113 ke it's a little faded, but does appear to be late January 2001. On that flight is Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and among others. And the last ...
Page 1 EFTA00008863.pdf VOL00006 1 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell March 29, 2021 Grand Jury Presentation GM_GLSDNY_00000216 EFTA00008863
Page 3 EFTA00008870.pdf VOL00006 3 see if she get me in tomorrow. If not, it will have to De the next time I'm in town. nt Copied From GHISLAINE MAXWELL *** Original Date and Time: 04/1...
Page 1 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. x x SEALED INDICTMENT 20 Cr. COUNT O...
Page 2 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 2 imony under oath in 2016. FACTUAL BACKGROUND 3. During the time periods charged in this Indictment, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, had a personal a...
Page 3 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 3 4. Beginning in at least 1994, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, enticed and groomed multiple minor girls to engage in sex acts with Jeffrey Epstein
Page 4 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 4 Some such incidents occurred in the context of massages, which developed into sexual encounters. 5. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, facilitated Jeff...
Page 5 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 5 tals. MAXWELL AND EPSTEIN'S VICTIMS 6. Between approximately in or about 1994 and in or about 1997, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, facilitated Jeff...
Page 7 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 7 d. MAXWELL's personal residence in London, England. 7. Among the victims induced or enticed by GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, were minor victims id...
Page 9 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 9 NCEAL HER CONDUCT 8. In or around 2016, in the context of a deposition as part of civil litigation, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, repeatedly provi...
Page 10 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 10 out 1994, up to and including in or about 1997, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, Jeffrey Epstein,...
Page 12 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 12 out 1994, up to and including in or about 1997, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, knowingly did pe...
Page 13 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 13 Title 18, United States Code, Section 2423(a). 16. It was a part and object of the conspiracy that GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, Jeffrey Epstein, ...
Page 14 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 14 out 1994, up to and including in or about 1997, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, knowingly did tr...
Page 15 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 15 as if fully set forth within. 21. On or about April 22, 2016, in the Southern District of New York, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, having taken an ...
Page 16 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 16 as if fully set forth within. 23. On or about July 22, 2016, in the Southern District of New York, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, having taken an o...
Page 18 EFTA00008874.pdf VOL00006 18 Ed. 9-25-58) UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. INDICTMENT (18 U.S.C...
Page 1 EFTA00008892.pdf VOL00006 1 GRAND JURY_, EXHIBIT (7 United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell June 29, 2020 Grand Jury Presentation GNI_GLSDNY_00000364 EFTA00008892
Page 12 EFTA00008892.pdf VOL00006 12 O Interlochen December 23, 1994 Ghislaine Maxwell c/o J. e_in k rnmnanv inc Nal ar House 457 Madison Avenue New York, NY 10022 Dear Ghislaine: Enclos
Page 22 EFTA00008892.pdf VOL00006 22 iff, Case No.: -a7aLn5t- SHISLAINE MAXWELL, Derengants. x .ACONFIDENTILL*0 Videotaped denosicion of GHISLAINE MAXWELL, taken pursuant to aubpoena, was...
Page 25 EFTA00008892.pdf VOL00006 25 E MAXWELL, Defendant. Case No.: l5-ev-07422-RWS •"CONFIDENTIAL"" Continued Videotaped Deposition of GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the Defendant herein, taken pur...
Page 1 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 1 9 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES GRAND JURY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GHISLAINE MAXWELL (2018R01618) APPEARANCE S: GRAND...
Page 4 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 4 ttle difficult under the circumstances. BY MS. III: Q. Have you participated in an investigation of Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes, I have. Q. Have you spo...
Page 6 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 6 e first slide. Who are the individuals depicted in these photographs? A. The picture on the left is Ghislaine Maxwell, and the picture on the right is...
Page 10 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 10 90's? A. Yes, he did. Q. And at the time came to work for Epstein in Palm Beach, was Epstein dating Ghislaine Maxwell at that point? A. Not at that ti...
Page 13 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 13 And is Interlochen Summer Arts Program located in Michigan? A. Yes. Q. Did meet Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell that summer? A. Yes, she did. Q....
Page 17 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/29/20 17 Q. Are those Ghislaine Maxwell's initials? Yes. Have you obtained any re...
Page 44 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 44 er describing Epstein's townhouse in Manhattan? A. Yes. Q. And does he remember talking often about Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes. Q. Now, based on your i...
Page 45 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 45 ool whether was being sexually abused by Epstein? A. He didn't know back then. Q. Did III ever meet Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes, he did. Q. What did he ...
Page 50 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 50 estified just a moment ago that she was also told that Maxwell would be there. Are you referring to Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes. Q. At the point that sh...
Page 51 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 51 06/29/20 51 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Did she meet Ghislaine Maxwell when she arrived in New Mexico? A. Yes...
Page 54 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 54 interviewed what was her demeanor like when she described her interactions with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell? A. She became upset, emotional....
Page 55 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 55 . Did grow up in England? A. Yes, she did. Q. Did she tell you that there came a point when she met Ghislaine Maxwell when she was about 17? A. Yes. F...
Page 56 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 56 me period that we've been talking about today? A. Yes. Q. What happened after she was introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell from what she told you? A. She s...
Page 67 EFTA00008920.pdf VOL00006 67 was about. Have you become aware that in or about 2015 an individual named filed a lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell here in the Southern District of ...
Page 1 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 1 ATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK x UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. x S1 20 Cr. 330 (AJN...
Page 2 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 2 ony under oath in 2016. FACTUAL BACKGROUND ' 3. During the time periods charged in this Indictment, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, had a personal a...
Page 3 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 3 4. Beginning in at least 1994, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, enticed and groomed multiple minor girls to engage in sex acts with Jeffrey Epstein
Page 4 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 4 Some such incidents occurred in the context of massages, which developed into sexual encounters. 5. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, facilitated Jeff...
Page 5 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 5 tals. MAXWELL AND EPSTEIN'S VICTIMS 6. Between approximately in or about 1994 and in or about 1997, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, facilitated Jeff...
Page 7 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 7 d. MAXWELL's personal residence in London, England. 7. Among the victims induced or enticed by GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, were minor victims id...
Page 9 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 9 NCEAL HER CONDUCT 8. In or around 2016, in the context of a deposition as part of civil litigation, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, repeatedly provi...
Page 10 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 10 out 1994, up to and including in or about 1997, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, Jeffrey Epstein,...
Page 12 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 12 out 1994, up to and including in or about 1997, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, knowingly did pe...
Page 13 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 13 Title 18, United States Code, Section 2423(a). 16. It was a part and object of the conspiracy that GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, Jeffrey Epstein, ...
Page 14 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 14 out 1994, up to and including in or about 1997, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, knowingly did tr...
Page 15 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 15 as if fully set forth within. 21. On or about April 22, 2016, in the Southern District of New York, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, having taken an ...
Page 16 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 16 as if fully set forth within. 23. On or about July 22, 2016, in the Southern District of New York, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, having taken an o...
Page 18 EFTA00008998.pdf VOL00006 18 d. 9-25-58) UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v . GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. SUPERSEDING INDICTME...
Page 1 EFTA00009654.pdf VOL00007 1 lint Rae1.2)642 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. IMDCSIMI DOCUMDM ELL...
Page 1 EFTA00009664.pdf VOL00007 1 30/20 P 1 of 12 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. x CSDCSDNV DOCUMENT ...
Page 13 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 13 them to whom he has been able to commit. He describes his most public companion of the last decade, Ghislaine Maxwell. 41. the daughter of the late, d...
Page 16 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 16 a familiar face to many of the Victo- ria's Secret girls. One young woman recalls being summoned by Ghislaine Maxwell to a concert at Epstein's town h...
Page 28 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 28 timacy. For years, Epstein had had a companion in a woman who could take him on if any woman could: Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of Robert Maxwell,...
Page 32 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 32 them to whom he has been able to commit. He describes his most public companion of the last decade, Ghislaine Maxwell, 41. the daughter of the late, d...
Page 33 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 33 house. where "tea- is served to guests: Epstein at his Zorro ranch in 1991 with his "best friend.- Ghislaine Maxwell: Epstein in 1979. "bounty hunter....
Page 35 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 35 a familiar face to many of the Victo- ria's Secret girls. One young woman recalls being summoned by Ghislaine Maxwell to a concert at Epstein's town h...
Page 48 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 48 N.Y Dec 1, 2000. pg. 009 Abstract (Document Summary) THINGS may be turning sour for gal-about-town Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the fat and fraudule...
Page 49 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 49 with a passel of Nobel Prize—winning scientists, CEOs like Leslie Wexner of the Limited, socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, even Donald Trump. But it wasn't...
Page 51 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 51 ances in the gossip columns tended to be speculation as to the true nature of his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell. While they are still friends, t...
Page 52 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 52 stein. Epstein, who recently loaned his jet to President Clinton, is usually seen in the company of Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of deceased publishing...
Page 76 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 76 y. When he first attracted notice in the early 1990s, it was on account of the woman he was dating. Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late British me...
Page 78 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 78 Ghislaine Maxwell, a fixture at elite parties and the intensely private daughter of a media tycoon, dated Epstein in
Page 115 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 115 MOM" DATE: 3 - 8 2005 FROM P (31. TO SA N =we 4; 19416 Arrival Time PASSENGERS 11.111111111.1111 2. Ghislaine Maxwell Trip Number 11 Sc' FROM Identifi...
Page 117 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 117 . TO PP'} artute AM Arrival L( 5_416Y) Trip I c :S( ' 61 Time Number V PASSENGERS 11111111111111 2. Ghislaine Maxwell 3. 10. FROM Identifier Defined C...
Page 120 Epstein Part 17 (Redacted).pdf - 120 -N 4 Time 7 ;it PM Arrival r.) A/94 Trip Time / :JP P Number /779_ PASSENGERS 1. Jeffrey Epstein 2. Ghislaine Maxwell 3. (.7•197.12.4 0(<10 422340,4 R...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 1 Page 1 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 24, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deput...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 2 s well. 22 And then David. 23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar 24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Lea...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 3 Page 3 1 I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 2 MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is 3 Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine 4 Maxwell. 5 TODD
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 4 y today, we cannot use against you 14 in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one. 15 Okay? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. 17 TODD BLANCHE: All...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 5 e met with Ms. Maxwell back in July 18 of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. 19 Okay? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. 21 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 6 Page 6 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've 3 already signed it, as has Special Agent Horn --
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 7 Page 7 1 case. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did 5 speak to him and
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 8 onship with Mr. Epstein, from 9 the time you met him all the way up until -- until 10 his death. 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Epstein in 12 1991. M...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 10 t 5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you 7 met -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met 9 Mr. Eps...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 11 ing at his 14 office for you to meet him just personally or were 15 you -- were you there for -- 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just -- 17 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 12 6 him in 1991, up until the time he -- he passed away? 7 DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights. 9 So I -- ...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 13 do. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic 4 relationship with him at this point or just friends? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. 6 TODD BLANCH...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 14 in have a business relationship over the years? 7 I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- 9 TODD BL...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 15 d to -- because (indiscernible) 16 so . . . 17 TODD BLANCHE: So they never -- they never 18 met. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't even know 20 who he w...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 16 n him, right, when I said, this is who he 5 was, he didn't know who he was. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he 8 rang Ji...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 17 know that at some 14 point my father told me he's fine. You can see him. 15 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He's safe. 17 TODD BLANCHE: Okay...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 18 me period or whatever, but to the extent 9 you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just 11 full di...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 19 Page 19 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if it was 2 a year. I don't -- it feels that feels long, but 3 maybe nine months, I m
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 20 18 in a relationship, but then it didn't -- you really 19 were not in that type of relationship. 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I thought -- 21 TODD BLAN...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 21 Page 21 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I would go to his 3 houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house 4 actually in -- no, that's no
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 22 Page 22 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. 3 TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition. Okay. 4 GHISL
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 23 Page 23 1 basically your life, like you were with him pretty 2 regularly. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- no. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 25 know it now 7 because I can see from the emails. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So, you know from the 9 case -- 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, not from -- 11 TODD BLANCH...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 26 ve the first 2 thing that he purchased after was the ranch in 3 New Mexico. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had 6 tasked me ...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 27 hat 11 make it special. 12 TODD BLANCHE: So were you -- were you 13 paid by him along the way -- 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- 15 TODD BLANCHE: -- dur...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 28 on 3 that money to live and his generosity to live or did 4 you have your own -- your own money. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there's a -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 29 oney or whatever equity 14 was in the businesses, just stayed with your other 15 family members? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there was no 17 money. So m...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 30 5 very different financially. You -- you're very 6 different financially positioned than he is -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- ...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 31 re a bed bedroom sometimes or 2 whatever. He had another girlfriend. 3 TODD BLANCHE: He had what? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Other girlfriends. I 5 definiti...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 32 Page 32 1 say you realized kind of it was over? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I mean, I'm 3 talking about the -- the -- I had had, there was a -- 4 I had...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 33 think. And I was with Ted from that time. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Did you meet him through 7 Mr. Epstein? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Well, indirectly, 9 I suppo...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 34 lane 2 for that trip? I don't mean everybody. 3 When you said, so Mr. Epstein was on the 4 plane? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: You were o...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 35 Page 35 1 Mr. Epstein. Does that make sense? 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's why I say that. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So you're -- you'r...
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 36 ve the Carrier, whatever, you 6 know. 7 TODD BLANCHE: When did Mr. Epstein 8 purchase the island? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say '96 or 10 '97, so...
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 37 Page 37 1 him, like you don't see him or it's just a different 2 relationship? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did see -- I maybe 4 saw him once or twice, mayb...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 38 e period is 3 there like more of a break, where you're no longer 4 acting as his general manager? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to 6 have a fu...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 39 could -- I could look after 3 her the way that I would -- sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: It's all right. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The way that I 6 would've liked ...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 40 - your relationship with 14 Mr. Maxwell [sic] -- professional and other changes 15 in 2003, '04? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. I mean, and 17 over the t...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 41 Page 41 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Go ahead. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I had -- I was not 3 in -- well -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Well, were you part of that 5 inves...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 42 cords or subpoena anything from your financial 3 life, during that time? During the -- that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not as far as I'm 5 aware. ...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 43 ship moved into sort 5 of like a long-term friend-family, you know, like -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- like I felt he had 8 with Ev...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 44 2 mother had died now. I can't remember the timing of 3 all of that either. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But I ended up in Palm 6 Beach ...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 45 were just told 8 by somebody that knew that it had happened or don't 9 -- or don't you remember? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Definitely not him. 11 TODD BLA...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 46 Page 46 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't -- I 2 didn't -- I didn't -- I'm not sure even what I 3 thought. I was like, that's weird
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 47 Page 47 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked -- he -- he 2 -- he told me, he said, "Listen. I'm going to jail." 3 I was like, "Okay."
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 48 Page 48 1 end? When was that that it stopped? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 2008, or '09. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: '09. When did he come 5 ou...
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 49 E: -- so when he's going to go 2 to jail, he says, "Can you stay around and manage 3 everything." 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And do yo...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 50 had to find someone who was trilingual 2 to -- and that he trusted -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not 5 steal from h...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 51 1 1 don't think so. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Where were you living 3 during that time period? Or was it -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Which time period? 5 TODD BLANC...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 52 Page 52 1 know, been contacted by law enforcement before his 2 arrest? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I wasn't in an 4 indictment. 5 TODD BLANCHE: No. I kno...
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 53 Page 53 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. The Southern 2 District of New York. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. And that they 4 had been in regular, in touch wit...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 54 ." 17 What did you learn about his wealth and 18 how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he 20 told ...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 55 Page 55 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Dalton. He was 2 working at Dalton, he was a math teacher. And he 3 met, I think it was Ace, I'm n
Page 56 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 56 Page 56 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: What you learned? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. This is what he 4 told me -- 5 TO
Page 57 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 57 , goes to it. This didn't happen. I'm just 13 -- 14 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah -- yeah. I 15 understand. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- just coming up with 17 somet...
Page 58 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 58 Page 58 1 hypothetical -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- the -- please, 3 that was completely hypothetical. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- but that -- but that
Page 59 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 59 Page 59 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Something he told 2 me before I met him. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And so when you meet him 4 and -- and
Page 60 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 60 ient's money or 2 anything like that. So it's separate. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah. I understand. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead....
Page 61 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 61 Page 61 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. Yes. All -- 2 this is all Wexner I'm talking about now. 3 So let's say you had a billion do
Page 62 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 62 1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't -- 2 sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was t...
Page 63 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 63 Page 63 1 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and 4 Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they --
Page 64 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 64 Page 64 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I did meet Leon. 2 I do know Leon. 3 TODD BLANCHE: When do you remember -- and 4 again, I know
Page 65 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 65 Page 65 1 How many clients like that did Mr. Epstein 2 have? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But why don't I just 4 give you the names that I remember and that's...
Page 66 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 66 mean, he -- I really had a 2 separate life. We really had separate lives -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they 5 synced. ...
Page 67 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 67 that sort of ... 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So Mr. Black, 6 Mr. Werner [sic] -- Ms. Johnson. Who else? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's the name of the 8 woman ...
Page 68 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 68 Page 68 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- both. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Both. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And do y
Page 69 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 69 Page 69 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- were there more? Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, yes. There were 3 more. There was a lady whose name I just can't -- 4 can I...
Page 70 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 70 the entire time. And 3 it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... 4 TODD BLANCHE: Understand. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 G...
Page 71 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 71 Page 71 1 mean, if you can -- do you know when -- about when 2 that relationship started? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Whenever -- well, 4 wouldn't have been ...
Page 72 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 72 Page 72 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 2 DAVID MARKUS: -- because we'll probably 3 meet tomorrow. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But you can
Page 73 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 73 Page 73 1 TODD BLANCHE: And when you say "help," 2 the same help in business or what help? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so-- so -- I 4 have no idea what...
Page 74 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 74 Page 74 1 say that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me 3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it. 4 What I saw or what I felt
Page 75 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 75 Page 75 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which 3 means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been
Page 76 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 76 Page 76 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So even, let's assume 3 that that premise is correct, that he was doing that 4 and he was going to
Page 77 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 77 ully stating the obvious, 5 but when you say "the houses," you're talking about 6 his New York -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- brownst...
Page 78 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 78 Page 78 1 doing. Yes. I didn't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any 4 electrician on the plane. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: --...
Page 79 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 79 Page 79 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the reason -- so 3 in Palm Beach, Epstein was having money stolen. He 4 noticed money was bein
Page 80 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 80 t 6 aware of any cameras at the island -- no. Sorry. 7 You're -- just so we record it because ... 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry -- sorry -- 9 sorry. ...
Page 81 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 81 m, take pictures of anybody in 8 compromising positions with women or with -- or with 9 anybody? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 11 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ev...
Page 82 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 82 o exists, like what we're talking 2 about, or photos were taken that -- that were 3 compromising? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in the -- in both 5 of those...
Page 83 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 83 US: Pictures that Epstein had 2 with the girls, but not Epstein with the clients and 3 the girls. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did yo...
Page 84 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 84 olks we're talking about, or others which we can 6 talk about, getting massages from young women? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I just -- I 8 think it'...
Page 85 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 85 -- before 17 you get into all that, let's answer the top line 18 question and then get into it. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. The top line 20 question i...
Page 86 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 86 I think that this, 3 what you were talking about is a later version. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that -- is that? 6 TODD BL...
Page 87 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 87 kmail them, was by encouraging them to have -- to 3 interact with -- with women, underage or not. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think in the 5 '90s, he ma...
Page 88 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 88 d 3 you know Mr. Epstein to encourage folks to do that, 4 whether it's a client or somebody else? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So with a -- with a -- 6 I cert...
Page 89 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 89 Page 89 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: And yes, young -- young 3 women and -- and is a crime. Children are --
Page 90 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 90 Page 90 1 DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients 3 themselves? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so let...
Page 91 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 91 , I know we're talking about the '90s, but are 7 we talking about early '90s or is this later on? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in terms of 9 massage, I am ...
Page 92 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 92 more and more masseuses. 4 What -- is that -- is that true, and what 5 role did you have in that? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was partially 7 true. 8 TO...
Page 93 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 93 BLANCHE: What -- 5 DAVID MARKUS: But just to be clear, you 6 never thought anybody was under 18? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never crossed -- I 8 never -- ...
Page 94 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 94 Page 94 1 asking me, I believe started in the 2000s. 2 TODD BLANCHE: In the 2000 time period? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 2000. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Why do ...
Page 95 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 95 r. You'll have to look. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. I'm not holding you 23 to exact dates. I'm not -- 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, I'm just 25 trying ...
Page 96 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 96 Page 96 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- I appreciate. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So then I think -- so 3 she -- she takes up with the local drug dealer and 4 she becomes...
Page 97 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 97 her. And that is how it started. 7 TODD BLANCHE: So before her -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Tony Figueroa. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Tony Figueroa is her 10 boyfrien...
Page 98 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 98 had to watch him masturbate. Like the 3 things that have been publicly said about what he 4 did. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: For n...
Page 99 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 99 Page 99 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with 2 lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse 3 ever look unhappy or not
Page 100 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 100 Page 100 1 off the side. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And then you mentioned some 4 other people. You mentioned President Clinton
Page 101 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 101 e, Jimmy Cayne, Lou Ranieri. I mean, there were -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: What about the royal 5 family? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. He didn't know 7 them in th...
Page 102 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 102 s. 15 Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as 16 having received massages? All of them. 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky 18 received a ma...
Page 103 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 103 Page 103 1 was naked during that massage? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't have any 3 idea. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 104 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 104 - in the very beginning of the conversation, 11 you mentioned President Trump in the early '90s. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: What -- w...
Page 105 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 105 entire 6 relationship with him. 7 TODD BLANCHE: What about Mr. Epstein's 8 relationship with him? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how they 10 met, a...
Page 106 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 106 -- 2 loved going there. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there 4 alone or with Mr. Epstein? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Do...
Page 107 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 107 Page 107 1 of -- I think you're -- you're in some of the 2 photographs -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- as well. Those all 5 appear to ...
Page 108 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 108 Page 108 1 think you saw, in person, President Trump? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Um, it was -- it's -- 3 it's been a long time. Probably not -- sometime in ...
Page 109 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 109 Page 109 1 Mr. Epstein? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've never recruited a 3 masseuse from Mar-a-Lago for that, as far as I 4 remember. I can't ever r
Page 110 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 110 g, namely around 2 young masseuses or young women who would be present 3 and what you observed -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- relatin...
Page 111 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 111 - what's the word I'm looking for? To develop 6 it. Sorry. That's the word. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Develop -- develop the 9 island...
Page 112 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 112 id do that. 18 TODD BLANCHE: So did, over the years, 19 males also give massages to Mr. Epstein? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I did say, I 21 don't thin...
Page 113 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 113 ual, I was 4 going to say misconduct, but any sexual -- any sex at 5 all whatsoever on the plane? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never on the plane, 7 no. 8 TOD...
Page 114 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 114 Page 114 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't say that. I 2 might have -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I definitely mig
Page 115 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 115 wanted to -- made him get more massages or that was 16 just one part of what changed about him? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, he became more 18 aggressi...
Page 116 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 116 16 1 progression or change, let's focus on that time 2 period, so the more towards the late '90s. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The testosterone. 4 Yeah, okay....
Page 117 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 117 Page 117 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or maybe that's not right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's not right. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Let me take back what I 4 just said. Ignore...
Page 118 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 118 im. 6 TODD BLANCHE: When you said he said that, 7 you mean he regularly told you that? Like he -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When I first -- 9 because when ...
Page 119 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 119 t, did you think to yourself, 9 well, geez, that makes sense now that I think about 10 it or no? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: First of all, I 12 didn't -- th...
Page 120 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 120 Page 120 1 register, because -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- along with all of 4 those -- well, not in 2006, but later when the more ...
Page 121 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 121 008, they had 3 interviewed 44 women, let's say, or around that 4 number. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: You have to 7 understand, not a...
Page 122 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 122 Page 122 1 have to -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- hear my point of 4 view. It's better if it comes from her own words and 5 that way...
Page 123 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 123 Page 123 1 and trained her and not you. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So wait. So then in 3 her first FBI meeting, she reports seeing a woman 4 with short dark...
Page 124 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 124 Page 124 1 DAVID MARKUS: -- stop there and let him 2 ask the next question. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: You're good. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 125 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 125 Page 125 1 to this obviously -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- so that's a 4 separate story. I'm not going to pretend -- well, 5 we'l...
Page 126 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 126 , either 11 like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or 12 just generally with FBI agents? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 14 TODD BLANCHE: Do you thi...
Page 127 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 127 in. 6 TODD BLANCHE: What do you mean by that? 7 When you said "finding money," what do you mean? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, his business 9 where he --...
Page 128 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 128 that whole aspect of that is -- can I use a 3 bad word? 4 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Bullshit. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay....
Page 129 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 129 Page 129 1 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So I want to just shift for 4 a few minutes to talk about post-2000. 2000 ...
Page 130 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 130 s, Barings Bank and he had like, sort 5 of -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: That was, you're talking 7 about -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before he met me. 9 TODD BLANCH...
Page 131 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 131 iana, but -- I'm not 21 going to do that. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So that was 23 pre-meeting you. 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, that was -- that 25 event h...
Page 132 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 132 Page 132 1 TODD BLANCHE: Oh, okay. That was 2 (Inaudible). 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I would -- 4 sometime -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: Understood. 6 GHISLAIN...
Page 133 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 133 for the record. She was 10 in -- do you want to ask me something? 11 TODD BLANCHE: No, go ahead. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. She was -- she 13 had a h...
Page 134 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 134 Page 134 1 an exact date, but when, approximately, was that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, we can date it 3 from that picture, if you find me the picture...
Page 135 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 135 d a role in them getting 5 together. You're just saying you didn't say, Prince, 6 here's Jeffrey. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would never have 8 introduced...
Page 136 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 136 ce Andrew and Mr. Epstein's relationship, from 10 the times you just described or you give me -- 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So after that, 12 at some...
Page 137 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 137 CHE: And then with respect to 23 and Prince Andrew, what do you know about 24 that relationship? 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Would you like to ask DOJ REDAC...
Page 138 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 138 7 before you say what you read, because that's one of 8 the problems is that we're all kind of -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I 10 know -- 1...
Page 139 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 139 23 come -- this is where it will -- allegedly started. 24 LEAH SAFFIAN: And they went to Tramp. 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, right. We went to DOJ REDACT...
Page 141 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 141 roximately an hour outside of London, an hour and 4 a half -- 5 LEAH SAFFIAN: An hour and a half. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- an hour and a half 7 outside...
Page 142 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 142 Page 142 1 feet in total. Well, maybe that; is that right? 2 Maybe nine -- 3 LEAH SAFFIAN: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It is on three floors, 5 however....
Page 143 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 143 room, you saw like a hundred of you, like you do 6 if you were in -- 7 DAVID MARKUS: A fun house. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, well, Alice in 9 Wonderla...
Page 144 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 144 So you think it's kind of 5 logistically and physically not something that could 6 have happened. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, there's that. 8 And there...
Page 145 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 145 st to be clear, the 7 photo, you're talking about, you're talking about the 8 famous one where -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I have a image 10 of it h...
Page 146 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 146 Well, without -- 16 putting aside the relationship, why do you think they 17 created that story? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe that story 19 was cre...
Page 147 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 147 ake. 3 Do you think it was just misdated or do 4 you think it's a fake -- literally a fake photo? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe it's 6 literally a fa...
Page 148 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 148 Page 148 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not. 2 TODD BLANCHE: So you don't have a 3 specific recollection of kind of being at an event
Page 149 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 149 young women who were masseuses would be 9 invited to the party, as guests or his entertainment? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I certainly went to 11 his house...
Page 150 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 150 know -- so you don't 2 remember -- you didn't attend President Clinton's 3 daughter's wedding -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- Chelse...
Page 151 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 151 use and became friendly 13 with him, because of Philip Levine. 14 DAVID MARKUS: Because of what? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Philip Levine. 16 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 152 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 152 Page 152 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Yeah. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- I'm not suggesting that 3 I know the answer to it. I'm generally ju
Page 153 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 153 to believe me and -- because I mean this. There 3 is so much information in the public sphere -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I see. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 154 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 154 Page 154 1 Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding 4 in -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: So when would that have...
Page 155 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 155 Page 155 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, we knew each 2 other. I thought he was wonderful and fun and I 3 enjoyed meeting him, but
Page 156 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 156 er. I think 5 that's what happened. I think that's it. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And why do you think that? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because it just popped 8 into m...
Page 157 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 157 Page 157 1 anything inappropriate? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- did you -- 4 do you know one way or the other,...
Page 159 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 159 - that's the 7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period 9 of that? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after 11 I brok...
Page 160 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 160 Page 160 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I was in 2 charge. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So back in like '90, early 4 '90s? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL:
Page 161 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 161 Page 161 1 island? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he go to Palm -- 4 meet -- go to Palm Beach House? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Y
Page 162 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 162 Page 162 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- 2 first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of 3 relationship with Harvey Wein
Page 163 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 163 d, do you know 15 whether Mr. Epstein was involved in your family 16 business, that you know of? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not, in any 18 respe...
Page 164 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 164 there's no -- he wouldn't have done 5 business with your father's companies in the '80s 6 either. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. I'm a 8 hundred...
Page 165 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 165 Page 165 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there is nothing 2 like that. 3 TODD BLANCHE: That you know of. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That I --
Page 166 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 166 said you think you might know or 8 that you're aware of kind of the origin of this 9 narrative. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to 11 reitera...
Page 167 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 167 he, Brad Edwards 7 becomes a cooperating witness -- cooperating -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Confidential. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- confidential 10 informant, so...
Page 171 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 171 nd that is 9 the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of 10 that. 11 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was 13 created --...
Page 172 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 172 t, it's 11 just manufactured. Meaning, have you seen the list, 12 even fake? Like do you know -- 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I haven't seen it, but 14 what ...
Page 173 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 173 hey never ever 3 say that they were farmed out to anybody. 4 TODD BLANCHE: But the list itself -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: -- where i...
Page 174 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 174 ng, is that somewhere 17 along the way he went through and kind of marked that 18 list to say -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where 20 that book...
Page 175 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 175 h big parts of it redacted publicly, 8 because there was people's addresses and whatnot on 9 it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. That's what I'm 11 talking...
Page 176 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 176 st or black book or a list of 20 individuals who, you know, linked to certain 21 masseuses or -- 22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. 23 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 177 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 177 t a 7 birthday book that you assembled for Mr. Epstein, I 8 think, for his 50th birthday in 2003. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true. 10 TODD BLANCHE: W...
Page 178 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 178 Page 178 1 birthday, say anything you want on a piece of paper. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, nothing more 4 than that. 5 T...
Page 179 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 179 Page 179 1 note? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Do you think the 4 articles -- well, do you remember seeing that book or
Page 180 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 180 d -- a picture of a naked woman or 2 something like that. 3 Do you have any recollection of that? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. But just -- 5 no, I d...
Page 181 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 181 Page 181 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do remember some 2 pages. 3 TODD BLANCHE: -- seeing some pages of the 4 book? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL
Page 182 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 182 Do you know whether 9 Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane to 10 any of his houses? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that 12 friendship...
Page 183 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 183 Page 183 1 TODD BLANCHE: Who's that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Reid is a Silicon 3 Valley guy. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Is what? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Silicon Valley...
Page 184 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 184 Page 184 1 That list, do you know how that list was 2 created? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. That -- all that 4 stuff that came out of that book, I now fin...
Page 185 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 185 Page 185 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there would've -- 2 so there's two things -- well, three ways. So I know 3 that the house itsel
Page 186 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 186 od, 3 would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind 4 of maintained or who maintained it? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- 6 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 187 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 187 Page 187 1 about it. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I can't -- 4 let's put it this way. If he did, I have no 5 recollection o...
Page 188 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 188 Page 188 1 DAVID MARKUS: But it's still enforceable 2 as to her. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, he never said, 4 hey, do you -- are you happy with this ...
Page 189 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 189 during 7 that time, like when he was allowed to leave during 8 the day or travel during the day? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never called him. I 10 never s...
Page 190 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 190 Page 190 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- 3 we asked this -- we talked about thi
Page 191 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 191 Page 191 1 taking testosterone. Did you ever know him to take 2 any other drugs? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, he took 4 pills for his heart, I thi...
Page 192 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 192 Page 192 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember any 3 conversations with Epstein about a book that Mr.
Page 193 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 193 Page 193 1 relationship; close, friendly? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My personal? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not that close, but 5 friendly e...
Page 194 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 194 about the book anyway. 21 Do you remember asking President Trump to 22 submit a letter for that? 23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. 24 TODD BLANCHE: And ...
Page 195 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 195 Page 195 1 somebody else -- would somebody else have done that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did ask some people. 3 I don't remember Mr. Trump. I don't reme...
Page 196 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 196 ak, Prime Minister Barak, do you know what the 3 nature of his relationship was with Mr. Epstein? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Do you...
Page 197 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 197 Page 197 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did she -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't know she was 4 a gymnast. 5 TODD BLA
Page 198 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 198 Page 198 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark 3 Middleton -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes,
Page 199 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 199 ng Mark Middleton at the 2 island. 3 TODD BLANCHE: How about former US Senator 4 George Mitchell? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I do remember 6 George. 7...
Page 200 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 200 Page 200 1 to New Mexico? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 3 remember George ever at the island. But the most 4 memorable trip I do recall
Page 201 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 201 ge 201 1 in a pub in Dublin. 2 TODD BLANCHE: And did he travel with 3 Mr. Epstein, that you know? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 5 know if --...
Page 202 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 202 Page 202 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I 3 think. 4 TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names 5 that we might talk about
Page 203 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 203 Page 203 1 that observed something? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever 3 reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that 4 is no. And also...
Page 204 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 204 d seen and your knowledge of 5 Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew 6 him, right? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a 8 third ...
Page 205 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 205 so 5 you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given 6 all the things we just talked about. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he 8 died by su...
Page 206 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 206 Page 206 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or 2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a little ...
Page 207 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 207 and powerful people, that's what 13 I -- do you have any reason to believe that that's 14 true? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not have any 16 reason to b...
Page 208 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 208 Page 208 1 spoke with him? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Maybe 2016, 2017, 3 maybe 2016 -- 2015, 2016, 2017 in that area, I 4 believe. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And
Page 209 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 209 Page 209 1 TODD BLANCHE: What did you think he was 2 angry with you about? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was angry 4 that I had even said that I had...
Page 210 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 210 14 behaving much differently. Did you believe what you 15 were hearing about him at that point? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't 17 like the p...
Page 213 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 213 ldn't take the lack of a next step as anything 15 other than, we don't have a next step yet, so. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: May I say something? 17 TODD BL...
Page 214 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (1).pdf - 214 ddressed. I've seen it, it struck me, and I would 7 like to give it to you. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: For what it's worth. 10 TODD BL...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 1 Page 1 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 24, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deput...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 2 s well. 22 And then David. 23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar 24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Lea...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 3 Page 3 1 I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 2 MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is 3 Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine 4 Maxwell. 5 TODD
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 4 y today, we cannot use against you 14 in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one. 15 Okay? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. 17 TODD BLANCHE: All...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 5 e met with Ms. Maxwell back in July 18 of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. 19 Okay? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. 21 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 6 Page 6 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've 3 already signed it, as has Special Agent Horn --
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 7 Page 7 1 case. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did 5 speak to him and
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 8 onship with Mr. Epstein, from 9 the time you met him all the way up until -- until 10 his death. 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Epstein in 12 1991. M...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 10 t 5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you 7 met -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met 9 Mr. Eps...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 11 ing at his 14 office for you to meet him just personally or were 15 you -- were you there for -- 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just -- 17 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 12 6 him in 1991, up until the time he -- he passed away? 7 DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights. 9 So I -- ...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 13 do. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic 4 relationship with him at this point or just friends? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. 6 TODD BLANCH...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 14 in have a business relationship over the years? 7 I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- 9 TODD BL...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 15 d to -- because (indiscernible) 16 so . . . 17 TODD BLANCHE: So they never -- they never 18 met. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't even know 20 who he w...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 16 n him, right, when I said, this is who he 5 was, he didn't know who he was. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he 8 rang Ji...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 17 know that at some 14 point my father told me he's fine. You can see him. 15 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He's safe. 17 TODD BLANCHE: Okay...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 18 me period or whatever, but to the extent 9 you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just 11 full di...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 19 Page 19 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if it was 2 a year. I don't -- it feels that feels long, but 3 maybe nine months, I m
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 20 18 in a relationship, but then it didn't -- you really 19 were not in that type of relationship. 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I thought -- 21 TODD BLAN...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 21 Page 21 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I would go to his 3 houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house 4 actually in -- no, that's no
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 22 Page 22 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. 3 TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition. Okay. 4 GHISL
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 23 Page 23 1 basically your life, like you were with him pretty 2 regularly. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- no. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 25 know it now 7 because I can see from the emails. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So, you know from the 9 case -- 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, not from -- 11 TODD BLANCH...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 26 ve the first 2 thing that he purchased after was the ranch in 3 New Mexico. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had 6 tasked me ...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 27 hat 11 make it special. 12 TODD BLANCHE: So were you -- were you 13 paid by him along the way -- 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- 15 TODD BLANCHE: -- dur...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 28 on 3 that money to live and his generosity to live or did 4 you have your own -- your own money. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there's a -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 29 oney or whatever equity 14 was in the businesses, just stayed with your other 15 family members? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there was no 17 money. So m...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 30 5 very different financially. You -- you're very 6 different financially positioned than he is -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- ...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 31 re a bed bedroom sometimes or 2 whatever. He had another girlfriend. 3 TODD BLANCHE: He had what? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Other girlfriends. I 5 definiti...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 32 Page 32 1 say you realized kind of it was over? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I mean, I'm 3 talking about the -- the -- I had had, there was a -- 4 I had...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 33 think. And I was with Ted from that time. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Did you meet him through 7 Mr. Epstein? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Well, indirectly, 9 I suppo...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 34 lane 2 for that trip? I don't mean everybody. 3 When you said, so Mr. Epstein was on the 4 plane? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: You were o...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 35 Page 35 1 Mr. Epstein. Does that make sense? 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's why I say that. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So you're -- you'r...
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 36 ve the Carrier, whatever, you 6 know. 7 TODD BLANCHE: When did Mr. Epstein 8 purchase the island? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say '96 or 10 '97, so...
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 37 Page 37 1 him, like you don't see him or it's just a different 2 relationship? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did see -- I maybe 4 saw him once or twice, mayb...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 38 e period is 3 there like more of a break, where you're no longer 4 acting as his general manager? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to 6 have a fu...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 39 could -- I could look after 3 her the way that I would -- sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: It's all right. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The way that I 6 would've liked ...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 40 - your relationship with 14 Mr. Maxwell [sic] -- professional and other changes 15 in 2003, '04? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. I mean, and 17 over the t...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 41 Page 41 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Go ahead. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I had -- I was not 3 in -- well -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Well, were you part of that 5 inves...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 42 cords or subpoena anything from your financial 3 life, during that time? During the -- that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not as far as I'm 5 aware. ...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 43 ship moved into sort 5 of like a long-term friend-family, you know, like -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- like I felt he had 8 with Ev...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 44 2 mother had died now. I can't remember the timing of 3 all of that either. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But I ended up in Palm 6 Beach ...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 45 were just told 8 by somebody that knew that it had happened or don't 9 -- or don't you remember? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Definitely not him. 11 TODD BLA...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 46 Page 46 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't -- I 2 didn't -- I didn't -- I'm not sure even what I 3 thought. I was like, that's weird
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 47 Page 47 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked -- he -- he 2 -- he told me, he said, "Listen. I'm going to jail." 3 I was like, "Okay."
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 48 Page 48 1 end? When was that that it stopped? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 2008, or '09. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: '09. When did he come 5 ou...
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 49 E: -- so when he's going to go 2 to jail, he says, "Can you stay around and manage 3 everything." 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And do yo...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 50 had to find someone who was trilingual 2 to -- and that he trusted -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not 5 steal from h...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 51 1 1 don't think so. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Where were you living 3 during that time period? Or was it -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Which time period? 5 TODD BLANC...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 52 Page 52 1 know, been contacted by law enforcement before his 2 arrest? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I wasn't in an 4 indictment. 5 TODD BLANCHE: No. I kno...
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 53 Page 53 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. The Southern 2 District of New York. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. And that they 4 had been in regular, in touch wit...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 54 ." 17 What did you learn about his wealth and 18 how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he 20 told ...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 55 Page 55 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Dalton. He was 2 working at Dalton, he was a math teacher. And he 3 met, I think it was Ace, I'm n
Page 56 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 56 Page 56 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: What you learned? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. This is what he 4 told me -- 5 TO
Page 57 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 57 , goes to it. This didn't happen. I'm just 13 -- 14 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah -- yeah. I 15 understand. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- just coming up with 17 somet...
Page 58 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 58 Page 58 1 hypothetical -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- the -- please, 3 that was completely hypothetical. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- but that -- but that
Page 59 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 59 Page 59 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Something he told 2 me before I met him. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And so when you meet him 4 and -- and
Page 60 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 60 ient's money or 2 anything like that. So it's separate. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah. I understand. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead....
Page 61 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 61 Page 61 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. Yes. All -- 2 this is all Wexner I'm talking about now. 3 So let's say you had a billion do
Page 62 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 62 1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't -- 2 sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was t...
Page 63 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 63 Page 63 1 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and 4 Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they --
Page 64 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 64 Page 64 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I did meet Leon. 2 I do know Leon. 3 TODD BLANCHE: When do you remember -- and 4 again, I know
Page 65 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 65 Page 65 1 How many clients like that did Mr. Epstein 2 have? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But why don't I just 4 give you the names that I remember and that's...
Page 66 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 66 mean, he -- I really had a 2 separate life. We really had separate lives -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they 5 synced. ...
Page 67 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 67 that sort of ... 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So Mr. Black, 6 Mr. Werner [sic] -- Ms. Johnson. Who else? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's the name of the 8 woman ...
Page 68 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 68 Page 68 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- both. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Both. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And do y
Page 69 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 69 Page 69 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- were there more? Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, yes. There were 3 more. There was a lady whose name I just can't -- 4 can I...
Page 70 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 70 the entire time. And 3 it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... 4 TODD BLANCHE: Understand. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 G...
Page 71 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 71 Page 71 1 mean, if you can -- do you know when -- about when 2 that relationship started? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Whenever -- well, 4 wouldn't have been ...
Page 72 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 72 Page 72 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 2 DAVID MARKUS: -- because we'll probably 3 meet tomorrow. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But you can
Page 73 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 73 Page 73 1 TODD BLANCHE: And when you say "help," 2 the same help in business or what help? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so-- so -- I 4 have no idea what...
Page 74 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 74 Page 74 1 say that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me 3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it. 4 What I saw or what I felt
Page 75 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 75 Page 75 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which 3 means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been
Page 76 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 76 Page 76 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So even, let's assume 3 that that premise is correct, that he was doing that 4 and he was going to
Page 77 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 77 ully stating the obvious, 5 but when you say "the houses," you're talking about 6 his New York -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- brownst...
Page 78 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 78 Page 78 1 doing. Yes. I didn't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any 4 electrician on the plane. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: --...
Page 79 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 79 Page 79 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the reason -- so 3 in Palm Beach, Epstein was having money stolen. He 4 noticed money was bein
Page 80 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 80 t 6 aware of any cameras at the island -- no. Sorry. 7 You're -- just so we record it because ... 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry -- sorry -- 9 sorry. ...
Page 81 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 81 m, take pictures of anybody in 8 compromising positions with women or with -- or with 9 anybody? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 11 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ev...
Page 82 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 82 o exists, like what we're talking 2 about, or photos were taken that -- that were 3 compromising? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in the -- in both 5 of those...
Page 83 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 83 US: Pictures that Epstein had 2 with the girls, but not Epstein with the clients and 3 the girls. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did yo...
Page 84 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 84 olks we're talking about, or others which we can 6 talk about, getting massages from young women? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I just -- I 8 think it'...
Page 85 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 85 -- before 17 you get into all that, let's answer the top line 18 question and then get into it. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. The top line 20 question i...
Page 86 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 86 I think that this, 3 what you were talking about is a later version. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that -- is that? 6 TODD BL...
Page 87 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 87 kmail them, was by encouraging them to have -- to 3 interact with -- with women, underage or not. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think in the 5 '90s, he ma...
Page 88 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 88 d 3 you know Mr. Epstein to encourage folks to do that, 4 whether it's a client or somebody else? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So with a -- with a -- 6 I cert...
Page 89 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 89 Page 89 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: And yes, young -- young 3 women and -- and is a crime. Children are --
Page 90 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 90 Page 90 1 DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients 3 themselves? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so let...
Page 91 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 91 , I know we're talking about the '90s, but are 7 we talking about early '90s or is this later on? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in terms of 9 massage, I am ...
Page 92 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 92 more and more masseuses. 4 What -- is that -- is that true, and what 5 role did you have in that? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was partially 7 true. 8 TO...
Page 93 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 93 BLANCHE: What -- 5 DAVID MARKUS: But just to be clear, you 6 never thought anybody was under 18? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never crossed -- I 8 never -- ...
Page 94 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 94 Page 94 1 asking me, I believe started in the 2000s. 2 TODD BLANCHE: In the 2000 time period? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 2000. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Why do ...
Page 95 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 95 r. You'll have to look. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. I'm not holding you 23 to exact dates. I'm not -- 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, I'm just 25 trying ...
Page 96 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 96 Page 96 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- I appreciate. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So then I think -- so 3 she -- she takes up with the local drug dealer and 4 she becomes...
Page 97 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 97 her. And that is how it started. 7 TODD BLANCHE: So before her -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Tony Figueroa. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Tony Figueroa is her 10 boyfrien...
Page 98 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 98 had to watch him masturbate. Like the 3 things that have been publicly said about what he 4 did. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: For n...
Page 99 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 99 Page 99 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with 2 lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse 3 ever look unhappy or not
Page 100 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 100 Page 100 1 off the side. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And then you mentioned some 4 other people. You mentioned President Clinton
Page 101 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 101 e, Jimmy Cayne, Lou Ranieri. I mean, there were -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: What about the royal 5 family? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. He didn't know 7 them in th...
Page 102 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 102 s. 15 Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as 16 having received massages? All of them. 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky 18 received a ma...
Page 103 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 103 Page 103 1 was naked during that massage? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't have any 3 idea. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 104 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 104 - in the very beginning of the conversation, 11 you mentioned President Trump in the early '90s. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: What -- w...
Page 105 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 105 entire 6 relationship with him. 7 TODD BLANCHE: What about Mr. Epstein's 8 relationship with him? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how they 10 met, a...
Page 106 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 106 -- 2 loved going there. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there 4 alone or with Mr. Epstein? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Do...
Page 107 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 107 Page 107 1 of -- I think you're -- you're in some of the 2 photographs -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- as well. Those all 5 appear to ...
Page 108 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 108 Page 108 1 think you saw, in person, President Trump? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Um, it was -- it's -- 3 it's been a long time. Probably not -- sometime in ...
Page 109 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 109 Page 109 1 Mr. Epstein? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've never recruited a 3 masseuse from Mar-a-Lago for that, as far as I 4 remember. I can't ever r
Page 110 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 110 g, namely around 2 young masseuses or young women who would be present 3 and what you observed -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- relatin...
Page 111 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 111 - what's the word I'm looking for? To develop 6 it. Sorry. That's the word. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Develop -- develop the 9 island...
Page 112 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 112 id do that. 18 TODD BLANCHE: So did, over the years, 19 males also give massages to Mr. Epstein? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I did say, I 21 don't thin...
Page 113 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 113 ual, I was 4 going to say misconduct, but any sexual -- any sex at 5 all whatsoever on the plane? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never on the plane, 7 no. 8 TOD...
Page 114 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 114 Page 114 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't say that. I 2 might have -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I definitely mig
Page 115 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 115 wanted to -- made him get more massages or that was 16 just one part of what changed about him? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, he became more 18 aggressi...
Page 116 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 116 16 1 progression or change, let's focus on that time 2 period, so the more towards the late '90s. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The testosterone. 4 Yeah, okay....
Page 117 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 117 Page 117 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or maybe that's not right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's not right. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Let me take back what I 4 just said. Ignore...
Page 118 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 118 im. 6 TODD BLANCHE: When you said he said that, 7 you mean he regularly told you that? Like he -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When I first -- 9 because when ...
Page 119 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 119 t, did you think to yourself, 9 well, geez, that makes sense now that I think about 10 it or no? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: First of all, I 12 didn't -- th...
Page 120 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 120 Page 120 1 register, because -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- along with all of 4 those -- well, not in 2006, but later when the more ...
Page 121 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 121 008, they had 3 interviewed 44 women, let's say, or around that 4 number. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: You have to 7 understand, not a...
Page 122 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 122 Page 122 1 have to -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- hear my point of 4 view. It's better if it comes from her own words and 5 that way...
Page 123 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 123 Page 123 1 and trained her and not you. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So wait. So then in 3 her first FBI meeting, she reports seeing a woman 4 with short dark...
Page 124 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 124 Page 124 1 DAVID MARKUS: -- stop there and let him 2 ask the next question. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: You're good. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 125 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 125 Page 125 1 to this obviously -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- so that's a 4 separate story. I'm not going to pretend -- well, 5 we'l...
Page 126 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 126 , either 11 like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or 12 just generally with FBI agents? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 14 TODD BLANCHE: Do you thi...
Page 127 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 127 in. 6 TODD BLANCHE: What do you mean by that? 7 When you said "finding money," what do you mean? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, his business 9 where he --...
Page 128 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 128 that whole aspect of that is -- can I use a 3 bad word? 4 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Bullshit. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay....
Page 129 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 129 Page 129 1 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So I want to just shift for 4 a few minutes to talk about post-2000. 2000 ...
Page 130 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 130 s, Barings Bank and he had like, sort 5 of -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: That was, you're talking 7 about -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before he met me. 9 TODD BLANCH...
Page 131 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 131 iana, but -- I'm not 21 going to do that. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So that was 23 pre-meeting you. 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, that was -- that 25 event h...
Page 132 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 132 Page 132 1 TODD BLANCHE: Oh, okay. That was 2 (Inaudible). 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I would -- 4 sometime -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: Understood. 6 GHISLAIN...
Page 133 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 133 for the record. She was 10 in -- do you want to ask me something? 11 TODD BLANCHE: No, go ahead. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. She was -- she 13 had a h...
Page 134 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 134 Page 134 1 an exact date, but when, approximately, was that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, we can date it 3 from that picture, if you find me the picture...
Page 135 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 135 d a role in them getting 5 together. You're just saying you didn't say, Prince, 6 here's Jeffrey. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would never have 8 introduced...
Page 136 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 136 ce Andrew and Mr. Epstein's relationship, from 10 the times you just described or you give me -- 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So after that, 12 at some...
Page 137 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 137 CHE: And then with respect to 23 and Prince Andrew, what do you know about 24 that relationship? 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Would you like to ask DOJ REDAC...
Page 138 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 138 7 before you say what you read, because that's one of 8 the problems is that we're all kind of -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I 10 know -- 1...
Page 139 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 139 23 come -- this is where it will -- allegedly started. 24 LEAH SAFFIAN: And they went to Tramp. 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, right. We went to DOJ REDACT...
Page 141 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 141 roximately an hour outside of London, an hour and 4 a half -- 5 LEAH SAFFIAN: An hour and a half. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- an hour and a half 7 outside...
Page 142 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 142 Page 142 1 feet in total. Well, maybe that; is that right? 2 Maybe nine -- 3 LEAH SAFFIAN: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It is on three floors, 5 however....
Page 143 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 143 room, you saw like a hundred of you, like you do 6 if you were in -- 7 DAVID MARKUS: A fun house. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, well, Alice in 9 Wonderla...
Page 144 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 144 So you think it's kind of 5 logistically and physically not something that could 6 have happened. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, there's that. 8 And there...
Page 145 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 145 st to be clear, the 7 photo, you're talking about, you're talking about the 8 famous one where -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I have a image 10 of it h...
Page 146 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 146 Well, without -- 16 putting aside the relationship, why do you think they 17 created that story? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe that story 19 was cre...
Page 147 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 147 ake. 3 Do you think it was just misdated or do 4 you think it's a fake -- literally a fake photo? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe it's 6 literally a fa...
Page 148 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 148 Page 148 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not. 2 TODD BLANCHE: So you don't have a 3 specific recollection of kind of being at an event
Page 149 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 149 young women who were masseuses would be 9 invited to the party, as guests or his entertainment? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I certainly went to 11 his house...
Page 150 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 150 know -- so you don't 2 remember -- you didn't attend President Clinton's 3 daughter's wedding -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- Chelse...
Page 151 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 151 use and became friendly 13 with him, because of Philip Levine. 14 DAVID MARKUS: Because of what? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Philip Levine. 16 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 152 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 152 Page 152 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Yeah. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- I'm not suggesting that 3 I know the answer to it. I'm generally ju
Page 153 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 153 to believe me and -- because I mean this. There 3 is so much information in the public sphere -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I see. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 154 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 154 Page 154 1 Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding 4 in -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: So when would that have...
Page 155 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 155 Page 155 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, we knew each 2 other. I thought he was wonderful and fun and I 3 enjoyed meeting him, but
Page 156 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 156 er. I think 5 that's what happened. I think that's it. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And why do you think that? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because it just popped 8 into m...
Page 157 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 157 Page 157 1 anything inappropriate? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- did you -- 4 do you know one way or the other,...
Page 159 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 159 - that's the 7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period 9 of that? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after 11 I brok...
Page 160 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 160 Page 160 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I was in 2 charge. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So back in like '90, early 4 '90s? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL:
Page 161 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 161 Page 161 1 island? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he go to Palm -- 4 meet -- go to Palm Beach House? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Y
Page 162 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 162 Page 162 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- 2 first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of 3 relationship with Harvey Wein
Page 163 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 163 d, do you know 15 whether Mr. Epstein was involved in your family 16 business, that you know of? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not, in any 18 respe...
Page 164 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 164 there's no -- he wouldn't have done 5 business with your father's companies in the '80s 6 either. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. I'm a 8 hundred...
Page 165 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 165 Page 165 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there is nothing 2 like that. 3 TODD BLANCHE: That you know of. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That I --
Page 166 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 166 said you think you might know or 8 that you're aware of kind of the origin of this 9 narrative. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to 11 reitera...
Page 167 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 167 he, Brad Edwards 7 becomes a cooperating witness -- cooperating -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Confidential. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- confidential 10 informant, so...
Page 171 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 171 nd that is 9 the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of 10 that. 11 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was 13 created --...
Page 172 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 172 t, it's 11 just manufactured. Meaning, have you seen the list, 12 even fake? Like do you know -- 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I haven't seen it, but 14 what ...
Page 173 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 173 hey never ever 3 say that they were farmed out to anybody. 4 TODD BLANCHE: But the list itself -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: -- where i...
Page 174 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 174 ng, is that somewhere 17 along the way he went through and kind of marked that 18 list to say -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where 20 that book...
Page 175 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 175 h big parts of it redacted publicly, 8 because there was people's addresses and whatnot on 9 it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. That's what I'm 11 talking...
Page 176 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 176 st or black book or a list of 20 individuals who, you know, linked to certain 21 masseuses or -- 22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. 23 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 177 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 177 t a 7 birthday book that you assembled for Mr. Epstein, I 8 think, for his 50th birthday in 2003. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true. 10 TODD BLANCHE: W...
Page 178 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 178 Page 178 1 birthday, say anything you want on a piece of paper. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, nothing more 4 than that. 5 T...
Page 179 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 179 Page 179 1 note? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Do you think the 4 articles -- well, do you remember seeing that book or
Page 180 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 180 d -- a picture of a naked woman or 2 something like that. 3 Do you have any recollection of that? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. But just -- 5 no, I d...
Page 181 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 181 Page 181 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do remember some 2 pages. 3 TODD BLANCHE: -- seeing some pages of the 4 book? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL
Page 182 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 182 Do you know whether 9 Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane to 10 any of his houses? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that 12 friendship...
Page 183 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 183 Page 183 1 TODD BLANCHE: Who's that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Reid is a Silicon 3 Valley guy. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Is what? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Silicon Valley...
Page 184 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 184 Page 184 1 That list, do you know how that list was 2 created? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. That -- all that 4 stuff that came out of that book, I now fin...
Page 185 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 185 Page 185 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there would've -- 2 so there's two things -- well, three ways. So I know 3 that the house itsel
Page 186 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 186 od, 3 would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind 4 of maintained or who maintained it? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- 6 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 187 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 187 Page 187 1 about it. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I can't -- 4 let's put it this way. If he did, I have no 5 recollection o...
Page 188 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 188 Page 188 1 DAVID MARKUS: But it's still enforceable 2 as to her. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, he never said, 4 hey, do you -- are you happy with this ...
Page 189 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 189 during 7 that time, like when he was allowed to leave during 8 the day or travel during the day? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never called him. I 10 never s...
Page 190 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 190 Page 190 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- 3 we asked this -- we talked about thi
Page 191 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 191 Page 191 1 taking testosterone. Did you ever know him to take 2 any other drugs? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, he took 4 pills for his heart, I thi...
Page 192 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 192 Page 192 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember any 3 conversations with Epstein about a book that Mr.
Page 193 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 193 Page 193 1 relationship; close, friendly? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My personal? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not that close, but 5 friendly e...
Page 194 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 194 about the book anyway. 21 Do you remember asking President Trump to 22 submit a letter for that? 23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. 24 TODD BLANCHE: And ...
Page 195 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 195 Page 195 1 somebody else -- would somebody else have done that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did ask some people. 3 I don't remember Mr. Trump. I don't reme...
Page 196 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 196 ak, Prime Minister Barak, do you know what the 3 nature of his relationship was with Mr. Epstein? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Do you...
Page 197 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 197 Page 197 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did she -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't know she was 4 a gymnast. 5 TODD BLA
Page 198 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 198 Page 198 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark 3 Middleton -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes,
Page 199 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 199 ng Mark Middleton at the 2 island. 3 TODD BLANCHE: How about former US Senator 4 George Mitchell? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I do remember 6 George. 7...
Page 200 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 200 Page 200 1 to New Mexico? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 3 remember George ever at the island. But the most 4 memorable trip I do recall
Page 201 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 201 ge 201 1 in a pub in Dublin. 2 TODD BLANCHE: And did he travel with 3 Mr. Epstein, that you know? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 5 know if --...
Page 202 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 202 Page 202 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I 3 think. 4 TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names 5 that we might talk about
Page 203 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 203 Page 203 1 that observed something? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever 3 reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that 4 is no. And also...
Page 204 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 204 d seen and your knowledge of 5 Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew 6 him, right? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a 8 third ...
Page 205 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 205 so 5 you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given 6 all the things we just talked about. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he 8 died by su...
Page 206 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 206 Page 206 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or 2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a little ...
Page 207 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 207 and powerful people, that's what 13 I -- do you have any reason to believe that that's 14 true? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not have any 16 reason to b...
Page 208 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 208 Page 208 1 spoke with him? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Maybe 2016, 2017, 3 maybe 2016 -- 2015, 2016, 2017 in that area, I 4 believe. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And
Page 209 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 209 Page 209 1 TODD BLANCHE: What did you think he was 2 angry with you about? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was angry 4 that I had even said that I had...
Page 210 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 210 14 behaving much differently. Did you believe what you 15 were hearing about him at that point? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't 17 like the p...
Page 213 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 213 ldn't take the lack of a next step as anything 15 other than, we don't have a next step yet, so. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: May I say something? 17 TODD BL...
Page 214 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (2).pdf - 214 ddressed. I've seen it, it struck me, and I would 7 like to give it to you. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: For what it's worth. 10 TODD BL...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 1 Page 1 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 24, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deput...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 2 s well. 22 And then David. 23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar 24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Lea...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 3 Page 3 1 I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 2 MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is 3 Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine 4 Maxwell. 5 TODD
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 4 y today, we cannot use against you 14 in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one. 15 Okay? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. 17 TODD BLANCHE: All...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 5 e met with Ms. Maxwell back in July 18 of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. 19 Okay? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. 21 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 6 Page 6 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've 3 already signed it, as has Special Agent Horn --
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 7 Page 7 1 case. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did 5 speak to him and
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 8 onship with Mr. Epstein, from 9 the time you met him all the way up until -- until 10 his death. 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Epstein in 12 1991. M...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 10 t 5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you 7 met -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met 9 Mr. Eps...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 11 ing at his 14 office for you to meet him just personally or were 15 you -- were you there for -- 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just -- 17 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 12 6 him in 1991, up until the time he -- he passed away? 7 DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights. 9 So I -- ...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 13 do. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic 4 relationship with him at this point or just friends? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. 6 TODD BLANCH...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 14 in have a business relationship over the years? 7 I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- 9 TODD BL...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 15 d to -- because (indiscernible) 16 so . . . 17 TODD BLANCHE: So they never -- they never 18 met. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't even know 20 who he w...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 16 n him, right, when I said, this is who he 5 was, he didn't know who he was. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he 8 rang Ji...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 17 know that at some 14 point my father told me he's fine. You can see him. 15 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He's safe. 17 TODD BLANCHE: Okay...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 18 me period or whatever, but to the extent 9 you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just 11 full di...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 19 Page 19 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if it was 2 a year. I don't -- it feels that feels long, but 3 maybe nine months, I m
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 20 18 in a relationship, but then it didn't -- you really 19 were not in that type of relationship. 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I thought -- 21 TODD BLAN...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 21 Page 21 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I would go to his 3 houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house 4 actually in -- no, that's no
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 22 Page 22 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. 3 TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition. Okay. 4 GHISL
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 23 Page 23 1 basically your life, like you were with him pretty 2 regularly. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- no. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 25 know it now 7 because I can see from the emails. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So, you know from the 9 case -- 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, not from -- 11 TODD BLANCH...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 26 ve the first 2 thing that he purchased after was the ranch in 3 New Mexico. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had 6 tasked me ...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 27 hat 11 make it special. 12 TODD BLANCHE: So were you -- were you 13 paid by him along the way -- 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- 15 TODD BLANCHE: -- dur...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 28 on 3 that money to live and his generosity to live or did 4 you have your own -- your own money. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there's a -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 29 oney or whatever equity 14 was in the businesses, just stayed with your other 15 family members? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there was no 17 money. So m...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 30 5 very different financially. You -- you're very 6 different financially positioned than he is -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- ...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 31 re a bed bedroom sometimes or 2 whatever. He had another girlfriend. 3 TODD BLANCHE: He had what? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Other girlfriends. I 5 definiti...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 32 Page 32 1 say you realized kind of it was over? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I mean, I'm 3 talking about the -- the -- I had had, there was a -- 4 I had...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 33 think. And I was with Ted from that time. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Did you meet him through 7 Mr. Epstein? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Well, indirectly, 9 I suppo...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 34 lane 2 for that trip? I don't mean everybody. 3 When you said, so Mr. Epstein was on the 4 plane? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: You were o...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 35 Page 35 1 Mr. Epstein. Does that make sense? 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's why I say that. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So you're -- you'r...
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 36 ve the Carrier, whatever, you 6 know. 7 TODD BLANCHE: When did Mr. Epstein 8 purchase the island? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say '96 or 10 '97, so...
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 37 Page 37 1 him, like you don't see him or it's just a different 2 relationship? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did see -- I maybe 4 saw him once or twice, mayb...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 38 e period is 3 there like more of a break, where you're no longer 4 acting as his general manager? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to 6 have a fu...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 39 could -- I could look after 3 her the way that I would -- sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: It's all right. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The way that I 6 would've liked ...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 40 - your relationship with 14 Mr. Maxwell [sic] -- professional and other changes 15 in 2003, '04? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. I mean, and 17 over the t...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 41 Page 41 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Go ahead. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I had -- I was not 3 in -- well -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Well, were you part of that 5 inves...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 42 cords or subpoena anything from your financial 3 life, during that time? During the -- that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not as far as I'm 5 aware. ...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 43 ship moved into sort 5 of like a long-term friend-family, you know, like -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- like I felt he had 8 with Ev...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 44 2 mother had died now. I can't remember the timing of 3 all of that either. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But I ended up in Palm 6 Beach ...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 45 were just told 8 by somebody that knew that it had happened or don't 9 -- or don't you remember? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Definitely not him. 11 TODD BLA...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 46 Page 46 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't -- I 2 didn't -- I didn't -- I'm not sure even what I 3 thought. I was like, that's weird
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 47 Page 47 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked -- he -- he 2 -- he told me, he said, "Listen. I'm going to jail." 3 I was like, "Okay."
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 48 Page 48 1 end? When was that that it stopped? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 2008, or '09. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: '09. When did he come 5 ou...
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 49 E: -- so when he's going to go 2 to jail, he says, "Can you stay around and manage 3 everything." 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And do yo...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 50 had to find someone who was trilingual 2 to -- and that he trusted -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not 5 steal from h...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 51 1 1 don't think so. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Where were you living 3 during that time period? Or was it -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Which time period? 5 TODD BLANC...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 52 Page 52 1 know, been contacted by law enforcement before his 2 arrest? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I wasn't in an 4 indictment. 5 TODD BLANCHE: No. I kno...
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 53 Page 53 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. The Southern 2 District of New York. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. And that they 4 had been in regular, in touch wit...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 54 ." 17 What did you learn about his wealth and 18 how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he 20 told ...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 55 Page 55 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Dalton. He was 2 working at Dalton, he was a math teacher. And he 3 met, I think it was Ace, I'm n
Page 56 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 56 Page 56 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: What you learned? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. This is what he 4 told me -- 5 TO
Page 57 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 57 , goes to it. This didn't happen. I'm just 13 -- 14 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah -- yeah. I 15 understand. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- just coming up with 17 somet...
Page 58 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 58 Page 58 1 hypothetical -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- the -- please, 3 that was completely hypothetical. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- but that -- but that
Page 59 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 59 Page 59 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Something he told 2 me before I met him. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And so when you meet him 4 and -- and
Page 60 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 60 ient's money or 2 anything like that. So it's separate. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah. I understand. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead....
Page 61 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 61 Page 61 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. Yes. All -- 2 this is all Wexner I'm talking about now. 3 So let's say you had a billion do
Page 62 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 62 1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't -- 2 sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was t...
Page 63 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 63 Page 63 1 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and 4 Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they --
Page 64 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 64 Page 64 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I did meet Leon. 2 I do know Leon. 3 TODD BLANCHE: When do you remember -- and 4 again, I know
Page 65 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 65 Page 65 1 How many clients like that did Mr. Epstein 2 have? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But why don't I just 4 give you the names that I remember and that's...
Page 66 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 66 mean, he -- I really had a 2 separate life. We really had separate lives -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they 5 synced. ...
Page 67 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 67 that sort of ... 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So Mr. Black, 6 Mr. Werner [sic] -- Ms. Johnson. Who else? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's the name of the 8 woman ...
Page 68 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 68 Page 68 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- both. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Both. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And do y
Page 69 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 69 Page 69 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- were there more? Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, yes. There were 3 more. There was a lady whose name I just can't -- 4 can I...
Page 70 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 70 the entire time. And 3 it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... 4 TODD BLANCHE: Understand. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 G...
Page 71 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 71 Page 71 1 mean, if you can -- do you know when -- about when 2 that relationship started? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Whenever -- well, 4 wouldn't have been ...
Page 72 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 72 Page 72 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 2 DAVID MARKUS: -- because we'll probably 3 meet tomorrow. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But you can
Page 73 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 73 Page 73 1 TODD BLANCHE: And when you say "help," 2 the same help in business or what help? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so-- so -- I 4 have no idea what...
Page 74 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 74 Page 74 1 say that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me 3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it. 4 What I saw or what I felt
Page 75 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 75 Page 75 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which 3 means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been
Page 76 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 76 Page 76 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So even, let's assume 3 that that premise is correct, that he was doing that 4 and he was going to
Page 77 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 77 ully stating the obvious, 5 but when you say "the houses," you're talking about 6 his New York -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- brownst...
Page 78 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 78 Page 78 1 doing. Yes. I didn't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any 4 electrician on the plane. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: --...
Page 79 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 79 Page 79 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the reason -- so 3 in Palm Beach, Epstein was having money stolen. He 4 noticed money was bein
Page 80 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 80 t 6 aware of any cameras at the island -- no. Sorry. 7 You're -- just so we record it because ... 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry -- sorry -- 9 sorry. ...
Page 81 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 81 m, take pictures of anybody in 8 compromising positions with women or with -- or with 9 anybody? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 11 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ev...
Page 82 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 82 o exists, like what we're talking 2 about, or photos were taken that -- that were 3 compromising? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in the -- in both 5 of those...
Page 83 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 83 US: Pictures that Epstein had 2 with the girls, but not Epstein with the clients and 3 the girls. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did yo...
Page 84 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 84 olks we're talking about, or others which we can 6 talk about, getting massages from young women? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I just -- I 8 think it'...
Page 85 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 85 -- before 17 you get into all that, let's answer the top line 18 question and then get into it. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. The top line 20 question i...
Page 86 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 86 I think that this, 3 what you were talking about is a later version. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that -- is that? 6 TODD BL...
Page 87 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 87 kmail them, was by encouraging them to have -- to 3 interact with -- with women, underage or not. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think in the 5 '90s, he ma...
Page 88 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 88 d 3 you know Mr. Epstein to encourage folks to do that, 4 whether it's a client or somebody else? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So with a -- with a -- 6 I cert...
Page 89 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 89 Page 89 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: And yes, young -- young 3 women and -- and is a crime. Children are --
Page 90 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 90 Page 90 1 DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients 3 themselves? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so let...
Page 91 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 91 , I know we're talking about the '90s, but are 7 we talking about early '90s or is this later on? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in terms of 9 massage, I am ...
Page 92 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 92 more and more masseuses. 4 What -- is that -- is that true, and what 5 role did you have in that? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was partially 7 true. 8 TO...
Page 93 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 93 BLANCHE: What -- 5 DAVID MARKUS: But just to be clear, you 6 never thought anybody was under 18? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never crossed -- I 8 never -- ...
Page 94 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 94 Page 94 1 asking me, I believe started in the 2000s. 2 TODD BLANCHE: In the 2000 time period? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 2000. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Why do ...
Page 95 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 95 r. You'll have to look. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. I'm not holding you 23 to exact dates. I'm not -- 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, I'm just 25 trying ...
Page 96 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 96 Page 96 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- I appreciate. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So then I think -- so 3 she -- she takes up with the local drug dealer and 4 she becomes...
Page 97 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 97 her. And that is how it started. 7 TODD BLANCHE: So before her -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Tony Figueroa. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Tony Figueroa is her 10 boyfrien...
Page 98 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 98 had to watch him masturbate. Like the 3 things that have been publicly said about what he 4 did. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: For n...
Page 99 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 99 Page 99 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with 2 lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse 3 ever look unhappy or not
Page 100 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 100 Page 100 1 off the side. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And then you mentioned some 4 other people. You mentioned President Clinton
Page 101 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 101 e, Jimmy Cayne, Lou Ranieri. I mean, there were -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: What about the royal 5 family? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. He didn't know 7 them in th...
Page 102 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 102 s. 15 Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as 16 having received massages? All of them. 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky 18 received a ma...
Page 103 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 103 Page 103 1 was naked during that massage? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't have any 3 idea. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 104 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 104 - in the very beginning of the conversation, 11 you mentioned President Trump in the early '90s. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: What -- w...
Page 105 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 105 entire 6 relationship with him. 7 TODD BLANCHE: What about Mr. Epstein's 8 relationship with him? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how they 10 met, a...
Page 106 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 106 -- 2 loved going there. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there 4 alone or with Mr. Epstein? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Do...
Page 107 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 107 Page 107 1 of -- I think you're -- you're in some of the 2 photographs -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- as well. Those all 5 appear to ...
Page 108 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 108 Page 108 1 think you saw, in person, President Trump? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Um, it was -- it's -- 3 it's been a long time. Probably not -- sometime in ...
Page 109 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 109 Page 109 1 Mr. Epstein? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've never recruited a 3 masseuse from Mar-a-Lago for that, as far as I 4 remember. I can't ever r
Page 110 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 110 g, namely around 2 young masseuses or young women who would be present 3 and what you observed -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- relatin...
Page 111 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 111 - what's the word I'm looking for? To develop 6 it. Sorry. That's the word. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Develop -- develop the 9 island...
Page 112 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 112 id do that. 18 TODD BLANCHE: So did, over the years, 19 males also give massages to Mr. Epstein? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I did say, I 21 don't thin...
Page 113 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 113 ual, I was 4 going to say misconduct, but any sexual -- any sex at 5 all whatsoever on the plane? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never on the plane, 7 no. 8 TOD...
Page 114 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 114 Page 114 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't say that. I 2 might have -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I definitely mig
Page 115 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 115 wanted to -- made him get more massages or that was 16 just one part of what changed about him? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, he became more 18 aggressi...
Page 116 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 116 16 1 progression or change, let's focus on that time 2 period, so the more towards the late '90s. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The testosterone. 4 Yeah, okay....
Page 117 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 117 Page 117 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or maybe that's not right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's not right. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Let me take back what I 4 just said. Ignore...
Page 118 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 118 im. 6 TODD BLANCHE: When you said he said that, 7 you mean he regularly told you that? Like he -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When I first -- 9 because when ...
Page 119 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 119 t, did you think to yourself, 9 well, geez, that makes sense now that I think about 10 it or no? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: First of all, I 12 didn't -- th...
Page 120 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 120 Page 120 1 register, because -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- along with all of 4 those -- well, not in 2006, but later when the more ...
Page 121 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 121 008, they had 3 interviewed 44 women, let's say, or around that 4 number. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: You have to 7 understand, not a...
Page 122 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 122 Page 122 1 have to -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- hear my point of 4 view. It's better if it comes from her own words and 5 that way...
Page 123 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 123 Page 123 1 and trained her and not you. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So wait. So then in 3 her first FBI meeting, she reports seeing a woman 4 with short dark...
Page 124 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 124 Page 124 1 DAVID MARKUS: -- stop there and let him 2 ask the next question. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: You're good. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 125 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 125 Page 125 1 to this obviously -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- so that's a 4 separate story. I'm not going to pretend -- well, 5 we'l...
Page 126 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 126 , either 11 like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or 12 just generally with FBI agents? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 14 TODD BLANCHE: Do you thi...
Page 127 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 127 in. 6 TODD BLANCHE: What do you mean by that? 7 When you said "finding money," what do you mean? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, his business 9 where he --...
Page 128 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 128 that whole aspect of that is -- can I use a 3 bad word? 4 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Bullshit. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay....
Page 129 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 129 Page 129 1 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So I want to just shift for 4 a few minutes to talk about post-2000. 2000 ...
Page 130 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 130 s, Barings Bank and he had like, sort 5 of -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: That was, you're talking 7 about -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before he met me. 9 TODD BLANCH...
Page 131 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 131 iana, but -- I'm not 21 going to do that. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So that was 23 pre-meeting you. 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, that was -- that 25 event h...
Page 132 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 132 Page 132 1 TODD BLANCHE: Oh, okay. That was 2 (Inaudible). 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I would -- 4 sometime -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: Understood. 6 GHISLAIN...
Page 133 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 133 for the record. She was 10 in -- do you want to ask me something? 11 TODD BLANCHE: No, go ahead. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. She was -- she 13 had a h...
Page 134 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 134 Page 134 1 an exact date, but when, approximately, was that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, we can date it 3 from that picture, if you find me the picture...
Page 135 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 135 d a role in them getting 5 together. You're just saying you didn't say, Prince, 6 here's Jeffrey. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would never have 8 introduced...
Page 136 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 136 ce Andrew and Mr. Epstein's relationship, from 10 the times you just described or you give me -- 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So after that, 12 at some...
Page 137 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 137 CHE: And then with respect to 23 and Prince Andrew, what do you know about 24 that relationship? 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Would you like to ask DOJ REDAC...
Page 138 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 138 7 before you say what you read, because that's one of 8 the problems is that we're all kind of -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I 10 know -- 1...
Page 139 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 139 23 come -- this is where it will -- allegedly started. 24 LEAH SAFFIAN: And they went to Tramp. 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, right. We went to DOJ REDACT...
Page 141 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 141 roximately an hour outside of London, an hour and 4 a half -- 5 LEAH SAFFIAN: An hour and a half. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- an hour and a half 7 outside...
Page 142 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 142 Page 142 1 feet in total. Well, maybe that; is that right? 2 Maybe nine -- 3 LEAH SAFFIAN: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It is on three floors, 5 however....
Page 143 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 143 room, you saw like a hundred of you, like you do 6 if you were in -- 7 DAVID MARKUS: A fun house. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, well, Alice in 9 Wonderla...
Page 144 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 144 So you think it's kind of 5 logistically and physically not something that could 6 have happened. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, there's that. 8 And there...
Page 145 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 145 st to be clear, the 7 photo, you're talking about, you're talking about the 8 famous one where -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I have a image 10 of it h...
Page 146 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 146 Well, without -- 16 putting aside the relationship, why do you think they 17 created that story? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe that story 19 was cre...
Page 147 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 147 ake. 3 Do you think it was just misdated or do 4 you think it's a fake -- literally a fake photo? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe it's 6 literally a fa...
Page 148 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 148 Page 148 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not. 2 TODD BLANCHE: So you don't have a 3 specific recollection of kind of being at an event
Page 149 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 149 young women who were masseuses would be 9 invited to the party, as guests or his entertainment? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I certainly went to 11 his house...
Page 150 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 150 know -- so you don't 2 remember -- you didn't attend President Clinton's 3 daughter's wedding -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- Chelse...
Page 151 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 151 use and became friendly 13 with him, because of Philip Levine. 14 DAVID MARKUS: Because of what? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Philip Levine. 16 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 152 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 152 Page 152 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Yeah. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- I'm not suggesting that 3 I know the answer to it. I'm generally ju
Page 153 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 153 to believe me and -- because I mean this. There 3 is so much information in the public sphere -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I see. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 154 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 154 Page 154 1 Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding 4 in -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: So when would that have...
Page 155 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 155 Page 155 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, we knew each 2 other. I thought he was wonderful and fun and I 3 enjoyed meeting him, but
Page 156 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 156 er. I think 5 that's what happened. I think that's it. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And why do you think that? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because it just popped 8 into m...
Page 157 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 157 Page 157 1 anything inappropriate? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- did you -- 4 do you know one way or the other,...
Page 159 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 159 - that's the 7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period 9 of that? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after 11 I brok...
Page 160 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 160 Page 160 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I was in 2 charge. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So back in like '90, early 4 '90s? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL:
Page 161 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 161 Page 161 1 island? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he go to Palm -- 4 meet -- go to Palm Beach House? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Y
Page 162 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 162 Page 162 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- 2 first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of 3 relationship with Harvey Wein
Page 163 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 163 d, do you know 15 whether Mr. Epstein was involved in your family 16 business, that you know of? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not, in any 18 respe...
Page 164 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 164 there's no -- he wouldn't have done 5 business with your father's companies in the '80s 6 either. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. I'm a 8 hundred...
Page 165 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 165 Page 165 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there is nothing 2 like that. 3 TODD BLANCHE: That you know of. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That I --
Page 166 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 166 said you think you might know or 8 that you're aware of kind of the origin of this 9 narrative. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to 11 reitera...
Page 167 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 167 he, Brad Edwards 7 becomes a cooperating witness -- cooperating -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Confidential. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- confidential 10 informant, so...
Page 171 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 171 nd that is 9 the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of 10 that. 11 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was 13 created --...
Page 172 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 172 t, it's 11 just manufactured. Meaning, have you seen the list, 12 even fake? Like do you know -- 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I haven't seen it, but 14 what ...
Page 173 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 173 hey never ever 3 say that they were farmed out to anybody. 4 TODD BLANCHE: But the list itself -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: -- where i...
Page 174 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 174 ng, is that somewhere 17 along the way he went through and kind of marked that 18 list to say -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where 20 that book...
Page 175 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 175 h big parts of it redacted publicly, 8 because there was people's addresses and whatnot on 9 it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. That's what I'm 11 talking...
Page 176 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 176 st or black book or a list of 20 individuals who, you know, linked to certain 21 masseuses or -- 22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. 23 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 177 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 177 t a 7 birthday book that you assembled for Mr. Epstein, I 8 think, for his 50th birthday in 2003. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true. 10 TODD BLANCHE: W...
Page 178 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 178 Page 178 1 birthday, say anything you want on a piece of paper. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, nothing more 4 than that. 5 T...
Page 179 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 179 Page 179 1 note? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Do you think the 4 articles -- well, do you remember seeing that book or
Page 180 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 180 d -- a picture of a naked woman or 2 something like that. 3 Do you have any recollection of that? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. But just -- 5 no, I d...
Page 181 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 181 Page 181 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do remember some 2 pages. 3 TODD BLANCHE: -- seeing some pages of the 4 book? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL
Page 182 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 182 Do you know whether 9 Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane to 10 any of his houses? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that 12 friendship...
Page 183 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 183 Page 183 1 TODD BLANCHE: Who's that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Reid is a Silicon 3 Valley guy. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Is what? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Silicon Valley...
Page 184 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 184 Page 184 1 That list, do you know how that list was 2 created? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. That -- all that 4 stuff that came out of that book, I now fin...
Page 185 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 185 Page 185 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there would've -- 2 so there's two things -- well, three ways. So I know 3 that the house itsel
Page 186 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 186 od, 3 would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind 4 of maintained or who maintained it? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- 6 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 187 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 187 Page 187 1 about it. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I can't -- 4 let's put it this way. If he did, I have no 5 recollection o...
Page 188 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 188 Page 188 1 DAVID MARKUS: But it's still enforceable 2 as to her. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, he never said, 4 hey, do you -- are you happy with this ...
Page 189 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 189 during 7 that time, like when he was allowed to leave during 8 the day or travel during the day? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never called him. I 10 never s...
Page 190 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 190 Page 190 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- 3 we asked this -- we talked about thi
Page 191 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 191 Page 191 1 taking testosterone. Did you ever know him to take 2 any other drugs? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, he took 4 pills for his heart, I thi...
Page 192 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 192 Page 192 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember any 3 conversations with Epstein about a book that Mr.
Page 193 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 193 Page 193 1 relationship; close, friendly? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My personal? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not that close, but 5 friendly e...
Page 194 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 194 about the book anyway. 21 Do you remember asking President Trump to 22 submit a letter for that? 23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. 24 TODD BLANCHE: And ...
Page 195 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 195 Page 195 1 somebody else -- would somebody else have done that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did ask some people. 3 I don't remember Mr. Trump. I don't reme...
Page 196 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 196 ak, Prime Minister Barak, do you know what the 3 nature of his relationship was with Mr. Epstein? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Do you...
Page 197 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 197 Page 197 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did she -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't know she was 4 a gymnast. 5 TODD BLA
Page 198 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 198 Page 198 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark 3 Middleton -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes,
Page 199 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 199 ng Mark Middleton at the 2 island. 3 TODD BLANCHE: How about former US Senator 4 George Mitchell? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I do remember 6 George. 7...
Page 200 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 200 Page 200 1 to New Mexico? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 3 remember George ever at the island. But the most 4 memorable trip I do recall
Page 201 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 201 ge 201 1 in a pub in Dublin. 2 TODD BLANCHE: And did he travel with 3 Mr. Epstein, that you know? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 5 know if --...
Page 202 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 202 Page 202 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I 3 think. 4 TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names 5 that we might talk about
Page 203 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 203 Page 203 1 that observed something? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever 3 reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that 4 is no. And also...
Page 204 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 204 d seen and your knowledge of 5 Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew 6 him, right? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a 8 third ...
Page 205 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 205 so 5 you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given 6 all the things we just talked about. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he 8 died by su...
Page 206 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 206 Page 206 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or 2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a little ...
Page 207 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 207 and powerful people, that's what 13 I -- do you have any reason to believe that that's 14 true? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not have any 16 reason to b...
Page 208 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 208 Page 208 1 spoke with him? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Maybe 2016, 2017, 3 maybe 2016 -- 2015, 2016, 2017 in that area, I 4 believe. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And
Page 209 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 209 Page 209 1 TODD BLANCHE: What did you think he was 2 angry with you about? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was angry 4 that I had even said that I had...
Page 210 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 210 14 behaving much differently. Did you believe what you 15 were hearing about him at that point? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't 17 like the p...
Page 213 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 213 ldn't take the lack of a next step as anything 15 other than, we don't have a next step yet, so. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: May I say something? 17 TODD BL...
Page 214 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (3).pdf - 214 ddressed. I've seen it, it struck me, and I would 7 like to give it to you. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: For what it's worth. 10 TODD BL...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 1 Page 1 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 24, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deput...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 2 s well. 22 And then David. 23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar 24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Lea...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 3 Page 3 1 I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 2 MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is 3 Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine 4 Maxwell. 5 TODD
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 4 y today, we cannot use against you 14 in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one. 15 Okay? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. 17 TODD BLANCHE: All...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 5 e met with Ms. Maxwell back in July 18 of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. 19 Okay? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. 21 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 6 Page 6 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've 3 already signed it, as has Special Agent Horn --
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 7 Page 7 1 case. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did 5 speak to him and
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 8 onship with Mr. Epstein, from 9 the time you met him all the way up until -- until 10 his death. 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Epstein in 12 1991. M...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 10 t 5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you 7 met -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met 9 Mr. Eps...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 11 ing at his 14 office for you to meet him just personally or were 15 you -- were you there for -- 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just -- 17 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 12 6 him in 1991, up until the time he -- he passed away? 7 DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights. 9 So I -- ...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 13 do. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic 4 relationship with him at this point or just friends? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. 6 TODD BLANCH...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 14 in have a business relationship over the years? 7 I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- 9 TODD BL...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 15 d to -- because (indiscernible) 16 so . . . 17 TODD BLANCHE: So they never -- they never 18 met. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't even know 20 who he w...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 16 n him, right, when I said, this is who he 5 was, he didn't know who he was. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he 8 rang Ji...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 17 know that at some 14 point my father told me he's fine. You can see him. 15 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He's safe. 17 TODD BLANCHE: Okay...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 18 me period or whatever, but to the extent 9 you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just 11 full di...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 19 Page 19 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if it was 2 a year. I don't -- it feels that feels long, but 3 maybe nine months, I m
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 20 18 in a relationship, but then it didn't -- you really 19 were not in that type of relationship. 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I thought -- 21 TODD BLAN...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 21 Page 21 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I would go to his 3 houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house 4 actually in -- no, that's no
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 22 Page 22 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. 3 TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition. Okay. 4 GHISL
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 23 Page 23 1 basically your life, like you were with him pretty 2 regularly. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- no. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 25 know it now 7 because I can see from the emails. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So, you know from the 9 case -- 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, not from -- 11 TODD BLANCH...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 26 ve the first 2 thing that he purchased after was the ranch in 3 New Mexico. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had 6 tasked me ...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 27 hat 11 make it special. 12 TODD BLANCHE: So were you -- were you 13 paid by him along the way -- 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- 15 TODD BLANCHE: -- dur...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 28 on 3 that money to live and his generosity to live or did 4 you have your own -- your own money. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there's a -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 29 oney or whatever equity 14 was in the businesses, just stayed with your other 15 family members? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there was no 17 money. So m...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 30 5 very different financially. You -- you're very 6 different financially positioned than he is -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- ...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 31 re a bed bedroom sometimes or 2 whatever. He had another girlfriend. 3 TODD BLANCHE: He had what? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Other girlfriends. I 5 definiti...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 32 Page 32 1 say you realized kind of it was over? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I mean, I'm 3 talking about the -- the -- I had had, there was a -- 4 I had...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 33 think. And I was with Ted from that time. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Did you meet him through 7 Mr. Epstein? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Well, indirectly, 9 I suppo...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 34 lane 2 for that trip? I don't mean everybody. 3 When you said, so Mr. Epstein was on the 4 plane? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: You were o...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 35 Page 35 1 Mr. Epstein. Does that make sense? 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's why I say that. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So you're -- you'r...
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 36 ve the Carrier, whatever, you 6 know. 7 TODD BLANCHE: When did Mr. Epstein 8 purchase the island? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say '96 or 10 '97, so...
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 37 Page 37 1 him, like you don't see him or it's just a different 2 relationship? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did see -- I maybe 4 saw him once or twice, mayb...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 38 e period is 3 there like more of a break, where you're no longer 4 acting as his general manager? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to 6 have a fu...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 39 could -- I could look after 3 her the way that I would -- sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: It's all right. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The way that I 6 would've liked ...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 40 - your relationship with 14 Mr. Maxwell [sic] -- professional and other changes 15 in 2003, '04? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. I mean, and 17 over the t...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 41 Page 41 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Go ahead. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I had -- I was not 3 in -- well -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Well, were you part of that 5 inves...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 42 cords or subpoena anything from your financial 3 life, during that time? During the -- that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not as far as I'm 5 aware. ...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 43 ship moved into sort 5 of like a long-term friend-family, you know, like -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- like I felt he had 8 with Ev...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 44 2 mother had died now. I can't remember the timing of 3 all of that either. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But I ended up in Palm 6 Beach ...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 45 were just told 8 by somebody that knew that it had happened or don't 9 -- or don't you remember? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Definitely not him. 11 TODD BLA...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 46 Page 46 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't -- I 2 didn't -- I didn't -- I'm not sure even what I 3 thought. I was like, that's weird
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 47 Page 47 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked -- he -- he 2 -- he told me, he said, "Listen. I'm going to jail." 3 I was like, "Okay."
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 48 Page 48 1 end? When was that that it stopped? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 2008, or '09. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: '09. When did he come 5 ou...
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 49 E: -- so when he's going to go 2 to jail, he says, "Can you stay around and manage 3 everything." 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And do yo...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 50 had to find someone who was trilingual 2 to -- and that he trusted -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not 5 steal from h...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 51 1 1 don't think so. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Where were you living 3 during that time period? Or was it -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Which time period? 5 TODD BLANC...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 52 Page 52 1 know, been contacted by law enforcement before his 2 arrest? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I wasn't in an 4 indictment. 5 TODD BLANCHE: No. I kno...
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 53 Page 53 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. The Southern 2 District of New York. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. And that they 4 had been in regular, in touch wit...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 54 ." 17 What did you learn about his wealth and 18 how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he 20 told ...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 55 Page 55 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Dalton. He was 2 working at Dalton, he was a math teacher. And he 3 met, I think it was Ace, I'm n
Page 56 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 56 Page 56 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: What you learned? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. This is what he 4 told me -- 5 TO
Page 57 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 57 , goes to it. This didn't happen. I'm just 13 -- 14 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah -- yeah. I 15 understand. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- just coming up with 17 somet...
Page 58 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 58 Page 58 1 hypothetical -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- the -- please, 3 that was completely hypothetical. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- but that -- but that
Page 59 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 59 Page 59 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Something he told 2 me before I met him. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And so when you meet him 4 and -- and
Page 60 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 60 ient's money or 2 anything like that. So it's separate. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah. I understand. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead....
Page 61 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 61 Page 61 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. Yes. All -- 2 this is all Wexner I'm talking about now. 3 So let's say you had a billion do
Page 62 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 62 1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't -- 2 sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was t...
Page 63 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 63 Page 63 1 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and 4 Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they --
Page 64 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 64 Page 64 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I did meet Leon. 2 I do know Leon. 3 TODD BLANCHE: When do you remember -- and 4 again, I know
Page 65 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 65 Page 65 1 How many clients like that did Mr. Epstein 2 have? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But why don't I just 4 give you the names that I remember and that's...
Page 66 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 66 mean, he -- I really had a 2 separate life. We really had separate lives -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they 5 synced. ...
Page 67 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 67 that sort of ... 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So Mr. Black, 6 Mr. Werner [sic] -- Ms. Johnson. Who else? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's the name of the 8 woman ...
Page 68 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 68 Page 68 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- both. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Both. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And do y
Page 69 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 69 Page 69 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- were there more? Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, yes. There were 3 more. There was a lady whose name I just can't -- 4 can I...
Page 70 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 70 the entire time. And 3 it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... 4 TODD BLANCHE: Understand. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 G...
Page 71 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 71 Page 71 1 mean, if you can -- do you know when -- about when 2 that relationship started? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Whenever -- well, 4 wouldn't have been ...
Page 72 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 72 Page 72 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 2 DAVID MARKUS: -- because we'll probably 3 meet tomorrow. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But you can
Page 73 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 73 Page 73 1 TODD BLANCHE: And when you say "help," 2 the same help in business or what help? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so-- so -- I 4 have no idea what...
Page 74 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 74 Page 74 1 say that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me 3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it. 4 What I saw or what I felt
Page 75 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 75 Page 75 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which 3 means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been
Page 76 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 76 Page 76 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So even, let's assume 3 that that premise is correct, that he was doing that 4 and he was going to
Page 77 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 77 ully stating the obvious, 5 but when you say "the houses," you're talking about 6 his New York -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- brownst...
Page 78 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 78 Page 78 1 doing. Yes. I didn't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any 4 electrician on the plane. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: --...
Page 79 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 79 Page 79 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the reason -- so 3 in Palm Beach, Epstein was having money stolen. He 4 noticed money was bein
Page 80 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 80 t 6 aware of any cameras at the island -- no. Sorry. 7 You're -- just so we record it because ... 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry -- sorry -- 9 sorry. ...
Page 81 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 81 m, take pictures of anybody in 8 compromising positions with women or with -- or with 9 anybody? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 11 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ev...
Page 82 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 82 o exists, like what we're talking 2 about, or photos were taken that -- that were 3 compromising? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in the -- in both 5 of those...
Page 83 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 83 US: Pictures that Epstein had 2 with the girls, but not Epstein with the clients and 3 the girls. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did yo...
Page 84 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 84 olks we're talking about, or others which we can 6 talk about, getting massages from young women? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I just -- I 8 think it'...
Page 85 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 85 -- before 17 you get into all that, let's answer the top line 18 question and then get into it. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. The top line 20 question i...
Page 86 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 86 I think that this, 3 what you were talking about is a later version. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that -- is that? 6 TODD BL...
Page 87 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 87 kmail them, was by encouraging them to have -- to 3 interact with -- with women, underage or not. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think in the 5 '90s, he ma...
Page 88 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 88 d 3 you know Mr. Epstein to encourage folks to do that, 4 whether it's a client or somebody else? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So with a -- with a -- 6 I cert...
Page 89 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 89 Page 89 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: And yes, young -- young 3 women and -- and is a crime. Children are --
Page 90 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 90 Page 90 1 DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients 3 themselves? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so let...
Page 91 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 91 , I know we're talking about the '90s, but are 7 we talking about early '90s or is this later on? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in terms of 9 massage, I am ...
Page 92 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 92 more and more masseuses. 4 What -- is that -- is that true, and what 5 role did you have in that? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was partially 7 true. 8 TO...
Page 93 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 93 BLANCHE: What -- 5 DAVID MARKUS: But just to be clear, you 6 never thought anybody was under 18? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never crossed -- I 8 never -- ...
Page 94 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 94 Page 94 1 asking me, I believe started in the 2000s. 2 TODD BLANCHE: In the 2000 time period? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 2000. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Why do ...
Page 95 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 95 r. You'll have to look. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. I'm not holding you 23 to exact dates. I'm not -- 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, I'm just 25 trying ...
Page 96 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 96 Page 96 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- I appreciate. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So then I think -- so 3 she -- she takes up with the local drug dealer and 4 she becomes...
Page 97 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 97 her. And that is how it started. 7 TODD BLANCHE: So before her -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Tony Figueroa. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Tony Figueroa is her 10 boyfrien...
Page 98 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 98 had to watch him masturbate. Like the 3 things that have been publicly said about what he 4 did. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: For n...
Page 99 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 99 Page 99 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with 2 lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse 3 ever look unhappy or not
Page 100 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 100 Page 100 1 off the side. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And then you mentioned some 4 other people. You mentioned President Clinton
Page 101 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 101 e, Jimmy Cayne, Lou Ranieri. I mean, there were -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: What about the royal 5 family? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. He didn't know 7 them in th...
Page 102 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 102 s. 15 Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as 16 having received massages? All of them. 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky 18 received a ma...
Page 103 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 103 Page 103 1 was naked during that massage? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't have any 3 idea. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 104 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 104 - in the very beginning of the conversation, 11 you mentioned President Trump in the early '90s. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: What -- w...
Page 105 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 105 entire 6 relationship with him. 7 TODD BLANCHE: What about Mr. Epstein's 8 relationship with him? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how they 10 met, a...
Page 106 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 106 -- 2 loved going there. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there 4 alone or with Mr. Epstein? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Do...
Page 107 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 107 Page 107 1 of -- I think you're -- you're in some of the 2 photographs -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- as well. Those all 5 appear to ...
Page 108 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 108 Page 108 1 think you saw, in person, President Trump? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Um, it was -- it's -- 3 it's been a long time. Probably not -- sometime in ...
Page 109 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 109 Page 109 1 Mr. Epstein? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've never recruited a 3 masseuse from Mar-a-Lago for that, as far as I 4 remember. I can't ever r
Page 110 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 110 g, namely around 2 young masseuses or young women who would be present 3 and what you observed -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- relatin...
Page 111 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 111 - what's the word I'm looking for? To develop 6 it. Sorry. That's the word. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Develop -- develop the 9 island...
Page 112 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 112 id do that. 18 TODD BLANCHE: So did, over the years, 19 males also give massages to Mr. Epstein? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I did say, I 21 don't thin...
Page 113 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 113 ual, I was 4 going to say misconduct, but any sexual -- any sex at 5 all whatsoever on the plane? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never on the plane, 7 no. 8 TOD...
Page 114 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 114 Page 114 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't say that. I 2 might have -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I definitely mig
Page 115 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 115 wanted to -- made him get more massages or that was 16 just one part of what changed about him? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, he became more 18 aggressi...
Page 116 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 116 16 1 progression or change, let's focus on that time 2 period, so the more towards the late '90s. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The testosterone. 4 Yeah, okay....
Page 117 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 117 Page 117 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or maybe that's not right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's not right. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Let me take back what I 4 just said. Ignore...
Page 118 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 118 im. 6 TODD BLANCHE: When you said he said that, 7 you mean he regularly told you that? Like he -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When I first -- 9 because when ...
Page 119 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 119 t, did you think to yourself, 9 well, geez, that makes sense now that I think about 10 it or no? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: First of all, I 12 didn't -- th...
Page 120 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 120 Page 120 1 register, because -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- along with all of 4 those -- well, not in 2006, but later when the more ...
Page 121 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 121 008, they had 3 interviewed 44 women, let's say, or around that 4 number. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: You have to 7 understand, not a...
Page 122 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 122 Page 122 1 have to -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- hear my point of 4 view. It's better if it comes from her own words and 5 that way...
Page 123 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 123 Page 123 1 and trained her and not you. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So wait. So then in 3 her first FBI meeting, she reports seeing a woman 4 with short dark...
Page 124 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 124 Page 124 1 DAVID MARKUS: -- stop there and let him 2 ask the next question. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: You're good. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 125 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 125 Page 125 1 to this obviously -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- so that's a 4 separate story. I'm not going to pretend -- well, 5 we'l...
Page 126 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 126 , either 11 like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or 12 just generally with FBI agents? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 14 TODD BLANCHE: Do you thi...
Page 127 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 127 in. 6 TODD BLANCHE: What do you mean by that? 7 When you said "finding money," what do you mean? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, his business 9 where he --...
Page 128 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 128 that whole aspect of that is -- can I use a 3 bad word? 4 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Bullshit. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay....
Page 129 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 129 Page 129 1 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So I want to just shift for 4 a few minutes to talk about post-2000. 2000 ...
Page 130 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 130 s, Barings Bank and he had like, sort 5 of -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: That was, you're talking 7 about -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before he met me. 9 TODD BLANCH...
Page 131 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 131 iana, but -- I'm not 21 going to do that. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So that was 23 pre-meeting you. 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, that was -- that 25 event h...
Page 132 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 132 Page 132 1 TODD BLANCHE: Oh, okay. That was 2 (Inaudible). 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I would -- 4 sometime -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: Understood. 6 GHISLAIN...
Page 133 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 133 for the record. She was 10 in -- do you want to ask me something? 11 TODD BLANCHE: No, go ahead. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. She was -- she 13 had a h...
Page 134 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 134 Page 134 1 an exact date, but when, approximately, was that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, we can date it 3 from that picture, if you find me the picture...
Page 135 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 135 d a role in them getting 5 together. You're just saying you didn't say, Prince, 6 here's Jeffrey. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would never have 8 introduced...
Page 136 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 136 ce Andrew and Mr. Epstein's relationship, from 10 the times you just described or you give me -- 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So after that, 12 at some...
Page 137 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 137 CHE: And then with respect to 23 and Prince Andrew, what do you know about 24 that relationship? 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Would you like to ask DOJ REDAC...
Page 138 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 138 7 before you say what you read, because that's one of 8 the problems is that we're all kind of -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I 10 know -- 1...
Page 139 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 139 23 come -- this is where it will -- allegedly started. 24 LEAH SAFFIAN: And they went to Tramp. 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, right. We went to DOJ REDACT...
Page 141 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 141 roximately an hour outside of London, an hour and 4 a half -- 5 LEAH SAFFIAN: An hour and a half. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- an hour and a half 7 outside...
Page 142 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 142 Page 142 1 feet in total. Well, maybe that; is that right? 2 Maybe nine -- 3 LEAH SAFFIAN: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It is on three floors, 5 however....
Page 143 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 143 room, you saw like a hundred of you, like you do 6 if you were in -- 7 DAVID MARKUS: A fun house. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, well, Alice in 9 Wonderla...
Page 144 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 144 So you think it's kind of 5 logistically and physically not something that could 6 have happened. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, there's that. 8 And there...
Page 145 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 145 st to be clear, the 7 photo, you're talking about, you're talking about the 8 famous one where -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I have a image 10 of it h...
Page 146 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 146 Well, without -- 16 putting aside the relationship, why do you think they 17 created that story? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe that story 19 was cre...
Page 147 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 147 ake. 3 Do you think it was just misdated or do 4 you think it's a fake -- literally a fake photo? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe it's 6 literally a fa...
Page 148 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 148 Page 148 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not. 2 TODD BLANCHE: So you don't have a 3 specific recollection of kind of being at an event
Page 149 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 149 young women who were masseuses would be 9 invited to the party, as guests or his entertainment? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I certainly went to 11 his house...
Page 150 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 150 know -- so you don't 2 remember -- you didn't attend President Clinton's 3 daughter's wedding -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- Chelse...
Page 151 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 151 use and became friendly 13 with him, because of Philip Levine. 14 DAVID MARKUS: Because of what? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Philip Levine. 16 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 152 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 152 Page 152 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Yeah. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- I'm not suggesting that 3 I know the answer to it. I'm generally ju
Page 153 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 153 to believe me and -- because I mean this. There 3 is so much information in the public sphere -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I see. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 154 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 154 Page 154 1 Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding 4 in -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: So when would that have...
Page 155 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 155 Page 155 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, we knew each 2 other. I thought he was wonderful and fun and I 3 enjoyed meeting him, but
Page 156 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 156 er. I think 5 that's what happened. I think that's it. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And why do you think that? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because it just popped 8 into m...
Page 157 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 157 Page 157 1 anything inappropriate? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- did you -- 4 do you know one way or the other,...
Page 159 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 159 - that's the 7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period 9 of that? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after 11 I brok...
Page 160 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 160 Page 160 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I was in 2 charge. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So back in like '90, early 4 '90s? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL:
Page 161 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 161 Page 161 1 island? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he go to Palm -- 4 meet -- go to Palm Beach House? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Y
Page 162 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 162 Page 162 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- 2 first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of 3 relationship with Harvey Wein
Page 163 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 163 d, do you know 15 whether Mr. Epstein was involved in your family 16 business, that you know of? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not, in any 18 respe...
Page 164 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 164 there's no -- he wouldn't have done 5 business with your father's companies in the '80s 6 either. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. I'm a 8 hundred...
Page 165 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 165 Page 165 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there is nothing 2 like that. 3 TODD BLANCHE: That you know of. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That I --
Page 166 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 166 said you think you might know or 8 that you're aware of kind of the origin of this 9 narrative. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to 11 reitera...
Page 167 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 167 he, Brad Edwards 7 becomes a cooperating witness -- cooperating -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Confidential. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- confidential 10 informant, so...
Page 171 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 171 nd that is 9 the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of 10 that. 11 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was 13 created --...
Page 172 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 172 t, it's 11 just manufactured. Meaning, have you seen the list, 12 even fake? Like do you know -- 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I haven't seen it, but 14 what ...
Page 173 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 173 hey never ever 3 say that they were farmed out to anybody. 4 TODD BLANCHE: But the list itself -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: -- where i...
Page 174 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 174 ng, is that somewhere 17 along the way he went through and kind of marked that 18 list to say -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where 20 that book...
Page 175 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 175 h big parts of it redacted publicly, 8 because there was people's addresses and whatnot on 9 it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. That's what I'm 11 talking...
Page 176 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 176 st or black book or a list of 20 individuals who, you know, linked to certain 21 masseuses or -- 22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. 23 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 177 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 177 t a 7 birthday book that you assembled for Mr. Epstein, I 8 think, for his 50th birthday in 2003. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true. 10 TODD BLANCHE: W...
Page 178 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 178 Page 178 1 birthday, say anything you want on a piece of paper. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, nothing more 4 than that. 5 T...
Page 179 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 179 Page 179 1 note? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Do you think the 4 articles -- well, do you remember seeing that book or
Page 180 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 180 d -- a picture of a naked woman or 2 something like that. 3 Do you have any recollection of that? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. But just -- 5 no, I d...
Page 181 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 181 Page 181 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do remember some 2 pages. 3 TODD BLANCHE: -- seeing some pages of the 4 book? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL
Page 182 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 182 Do you know whether 9 Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane to 10 any of his houses? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that 12 friendship...
Page 183 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 183 Page 183 1 TODD BLANCHE: Who's that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Reid is a Silicon 3 Valley guy. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Is what? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Silicon Valley...
Page 184 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 184 Page 184 1 That list, do you know how that list was 2 created? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. That -- all that 4 stuff that came out of that book, I now fin...
Page 185 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 185 Page 185 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there would've -- 2 so there's two things -- well, three ways. So I know 3 that the house itsel
Page 186 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 186 od, 3 would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind 4 of maintained or who maintained it? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- 6 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 187 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 187 Page 187 1 about it. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I can't -- 4 let's put it this way. If he did, I have no 5 recollection o...
Page 188 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 188 Page 188 1 DAVID MARKUS: But it's still enforceable 2 as to her. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, he never said, 4 hey, do you -- are you happy with this ...
Page 189 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 189 during 7 that time, like when he was allowed to leave during 8 the day or travel during the day? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never called him. I 10 never s...
Page 190 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 190 Page 190 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- 3 we asked this -- we talked about thi
Page 191 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 191 Page 191 1 taking testosterone. Did you ever know him to take 2 any other drugs? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, he took 4 pills for his heart, I thi...
Page 192 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 192 Page 192 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember any 3 conversations with Epstein about a book that Mr.
Page 193 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 193 Page 193 1 relationship; close, friendly? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My personal? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not that close, but 5 friendly e...
Page 194 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 194 about the book anyway. 21 Do you remember asking President Trump to 22 submit a letter for that? 23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. 24 TODD BLANCHE: And ...
Page 195 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 195 Page 195 1 somebody else -- would somebody else have done that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did ask some people. 3 I don't remember Mr. Trump. I don't reme...
Page 196 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 196 ak, Prime Minister Barak, do you know what the 3 nature of his relationship was with Mr. Epstein? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Do you...
Page 197 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 197 Page 197 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did she -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't know she was 4 a gymnast. 5 TODD BLA
Page 198 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 198 Page 198 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark 3 Middleton -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes,
Page 199 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 199 ng Mark Middleton at the 2 island. 3 TODD BLANCHE: How about former US Senator 4 George Mitchell? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I do remember 6 George. 7...
Page 200 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 200 Page 200 1 to New Mexico? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 3 remember George ever at the island. But the most 4 memorable trip I do recall
Page 201 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 201 ge 201 1 in a pub in Dublin. 2 TODD BLANCHE: And did he travel with 3 Mr. Epstein, that you know? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 5 know if --...
Page 202 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 202 Page 202 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I 3 think. 4 TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names 5 that we might talk about
Page 203 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 203 Page 203 1 that observed something? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever 3 reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that 4 is no. And also...
Page 204 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 204 d seen and your knowledge of 5 Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew 6 him, right? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a 8 third ...
Page 205 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 205 so 5 you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given 6 all the things we just talked about. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he 8 died by su...
Page 206 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 206 Page 206 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or 2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a little ...
Page 207 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 207 and powerful people, that's what 13 I -- do you have any reason to believe that that's 14 true? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not have any 16 reason to b...
Page 208 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 208 Page 208 1 spoke with him? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Maybe 2016, 2017, 3 maybe 2016 -- 2015, 2016, 2017 in that area, I 4 believe. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And
Page 209 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 209 Page 209 1 TODD BLANCHE: What did you think he was 2 angry with you about? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was angry 4 that I had even said that I had...
Page 210 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 210 14 behaving much differently. Did you believe what you 15 were hearing about him at that point? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't 17 like the p...
Page 213 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 213 ldn't take the lack of a next step as anything 15 other than, we don't have a next step yet, so. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: May I say something? 17 TODD BL...
Page 214 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (4).pdf - 214 ddressed. I've seen it, it struck me, and I would 7 like to give it to you. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: For what it's worth. 10 TODD BL...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 1 Page 1 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 24, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deput...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 2 s well. 22 And then David. 23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar 24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Lea...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 3 Page 3 1 I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 2 MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is 3 Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine 4 Maxwell. 5 TODD
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 4 y today, we cannot use against you 14 in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one. 15 Okay? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. 17 TODD BLANCHE: All...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 5 e met with Ms. Maxwell back in July 18 of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. 19 Okay? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. 21 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 6 Page 6 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've 3 already signed it, as has Special Agent Horn --
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 7 Page 7 1 case. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did 5 speak to him and
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 8 onship with Mr. Epstein, from 9 the time you met him all the way up until -- until 10 his death. 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Epstein in 12 1991. M...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 10 t 5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you 7 met -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met 9 Mr. Eps...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 11 ing at his 14 office for you to meet him just personally or were 15 you -- were you there for -- 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just -- 17 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 12 6 him in 1991, up until the time he -- he passed away? 7 DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights. 9 So I -- ...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 13 do. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic 4 relationship with him at this point or just friends? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. 6 TODD BLANCH...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 14 in have a business relationship over the years? 7 I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- 9 TODD BL...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 15 d to -- because (indiscernible) 16 so . . . 17 TODD BLANCHE: So they never -- they never 18 met. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't even know 20 who he w...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 16 n him, right, when I said, this is who he 5 was, he didn't know who he was. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he 8 rang Ji...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 17 know that at some 14 point my father told me he's fine. You can see him. 15 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He's safe. 17 TODD BLANCHE: Okay...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 18 me period or whatever, but to the extent 9 you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just 11 full di...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 19 Page 19 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if it was 2 a year. I don't -- it feels that feels long, but 3 maybe nine months, I m
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 20 18 in a relationship, but then it didn't -- you really 19 were not in that type of relationship. 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I thought -- 21 TODD BLAN...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 21 Page 21 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I would go to his 3 houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house 4 actually in -- no, that's no
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 22 Page 22 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. 3 TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition. Okay. 4 GHISL
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 23 Page 23 1 basically your life, like you were with him pretty 2 regularly. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- no. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 25 know it now 7 because I can see from the emails. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So, you know from the 9 case -- 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, not from -- 11 TODD BLANCH...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 26 ve the first 2 thing that he purchased after was the ranch in 3 New Mexico. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had 6 tasked me ...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 27 hat 11 make it special. 12 TODD BLANCHE: So were you -- were you 13 paid by him along the way -- 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- 15 TODD BLANCHE: -- dur...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 28 on 3 that money to live and his generosity to live or did 4 you have your own -- your own money. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there's a -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 29 oney or whatever equity 14 was in the businesses, just stayed with your other 15 family members? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there was no 17 money. So m...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 30 5 very different financially. You -- you're very 6 different financially positioned than he is -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- ...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 31 re a bed bedroom sometimes or 2 whatever. He had another girlfriend. 3 TODD BLANCHE: He had what? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Other girlfriends. I 5 definiti...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 32 Page 32 1 say you realized kind of it was over? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I mean, I'm 3 talking about the -- the -- I had had, there was a -- 4 I had...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 33 think. And I was with Ted from that time. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Did you meet him through 7 Mr. Epstein? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Well, indirectly, 9 I suppo...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 34 lane 2 for that trip? I don't mean everybody. 3 When you said, so Mr. Epstein was on the 4 plane? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: You were o...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 35 Page 35 1 Mr. Epstein. Does that make sense? 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's why I say that. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So you're -- you'r...
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 36 ve the Carrier, whatever, you 6 know. 7 TODD BLANCHE: When did Mr. Epstein 8 purchase the island? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say '96 or 10 '97, so...
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 37 Page 37 1 him, like you don't see him or it's just a different 2 relationship? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did see -- I maybe 4 saw him once or twice, mayb...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 38 e period is 3 there like more of a break, where you're no longer 4 acting as his general manager? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to 6 have a fu...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 39 could -- I could look after 3 her the way that I would -- sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: It's all right. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The way that I 6 would've liked ...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 40 - your relationship with 14 Mr. Maxwell [sic] -- professional and other changes 15 in 2003, '04? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. I mean, and 17 over the t...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 41 Page 41 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Go ahead. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I had -- I was not 3 in -- well -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Well, were you part of that 5 inves...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 42 cords or subpoena anything from your financial 3 life, during that time? During the -- that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not as far as I'm 5 aware. ...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 43 ship moved into sort 5 of like a long-term friend-family, you know, like -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- like I felt he had 8 with Ev...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 44 2 mother had died now. I can't remember the timing of 3 all of that either. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But I ended up in Palm 6 Beach ...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 45 were just told 8 by somebody that knew that it had happened or don't 9 -- or don't you remember? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Definitely not him. 11 TODD BLA...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 46 Page 46 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't -- I 2 didn't -- I didn't -- I'm not sure even what I 3 thought. I was like, that's weird
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 47 Page 47 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked -- he -- he 2 -- he told me, he said, "Listen. I'm going to jail." 3 I was like, "Okay."
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 48 Page 48 1 end? When was that that it stopped? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 2008, or '09. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: '09. When did he come 5 ou...
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 49 E: -- so when he's going to go 2 to jail, he says, "Can you stay around and manage 3 everything." 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And do yo...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 50 had to find someone who was trilingual 2 to -- and that he trusted -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not 5 steal from h...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 51 1 1 don't think so. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Where were you living 3 during that time period? Or was it -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Which time period? 5 TODD BLANC...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 52 Page 52 1 know, been contacted by law enforcement before his 2 arrest? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I wasn't in an 4 indictment. 5 TODD BLANCHE: No. I kno...
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 53 Page 53 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. The Southern 2 District of New York. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. And that they 4 had been in regular, in touch wit...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 54 ." 17 What did you learn about his wealth and 18 how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he 20 told ...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 55 Page 55 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Dalton. He was 2 working at Dalton, he was a math teacher. And he 3 met, I think it was Ace, I'm n
Page 56 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 56 Page 56 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: What you learned? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. This is what he 4 told me -- 5 TO
Page 57 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 57 , goes to it. This didn't happen. I'm just 13 -- 14 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah -- yeah. I 15 understand. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- just coming up with 17 somet...
Page 58 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 58 Page 58 1 hypothetical -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- the -- please, 3 that was completely hypothetical. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- but that -- but that
Page 59 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 59 Page 59 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Something he told 2 me before I met him. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And so when you meet him 4 and -- and
Page 60 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 60 ient's money or 2 anything like that. So it's separate. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah. I understand. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead....
Page 61 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 61 Page 61 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. Yes. All -- 2 this is all Wexner I'm talking about now. 3 So let's say you had a billion do
Page 62 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 62 1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't -- 2 sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was t...
Page 63 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 63 Page 63 1 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and 4 Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they --
Page 64 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 64 Page 64 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I did meet Leon. 2 I do know Leon. 3 TODD BLANCHE: When do you remember -- and 4 again, I know
Page 65 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 65 Page 65 1 How many clients like that did Mr. Epstein 2 have? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But why don't I just 4 give you the names that I remember and that's...
Page 66 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 66 mean, he -- I really had a 2 separate life. We really had separate lives -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they 5 synced. ...
Page 67 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 67 that sort of ... 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So Mr. Black, 6 Mr. Werner [sic] -- Ms. Johnson. Who else? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's the name of the 8 woman ...
Page 68 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 68 Page 68 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- both. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Both. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And do y
Page 69 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 69 Page 69 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- were there more? Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, yes. There were 3 more. There was a lady whose name I just can't -- 4 can I...
Page 70 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 70 the entire time. And 3 it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... 4 TODD BLANCHE: Understand. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 G...
Page 71 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 71 Page 71 1 mean, if you can -- do you know when -- about when 2 that relationship started? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Whenever -- well, 4 wouldn't have been ...
Page 72 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 72 Page 72 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 2 DAVID MARKUS: -- because we'll probably 3 meet tomorrow. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But you can
Page 73 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 73 Page 73 1 TODD BLANCHE: And when you say "help," 2 the same help in business or what help? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so-- so -- I 4 have no idea what...
Page 74 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 74 Page 74 1 say that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me 3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it. 4 What I saw or what I felt
Page 75 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 75 Page 75 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which 3 means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been
Page 76 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 76 Page 76 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So even, let's assume 3 that that premise is correct, that he was doing that 4 and he was going to
Page 77 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 77 ully stating the obvious, 5 but when you say "the houses," you're talking about 6 his New York -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- brownst...
Page 78 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 78 Page 78 1 doing. Yes. I didn't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any 4 electrician on the plane. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: --...
Page 79 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 79 Page 79 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the reason -- so 3 in Palm Beach, Epstein was having money stolen. He 4 noticed money was bein
Page 80 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 80 t 6 aware of any cameras at the island -- no. Sorry. 7 You're -- just so we record it because ... 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry -- sorry -- 9 sorry. ...
Page 81 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 81 m, take pictures of anybody in 8 compromising positions with women or with -- or with 9 anybody? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 11 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ev...
Page 82 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 82 o exists, like what we're talking 2 about, or photos were taken that -- that were 3 compromising? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in the -- in both 5 of those...
Page 83 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 83 US: Pictures that Epstein had 2 with the girls, but not Epstein with the clients and 3 the girls. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did yo...
Page 84 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 84 olks we're talking about, or others which we can 6 talk about, getting massages from young women? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I just -- I 8 think it'...
Page 85 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 85 -- before 17 you get into all that, let's answer the top line 18 question and then get into it. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. The top line 20 question i...
Page 86 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 86 I think that this, 3 what you were talking about is a later version. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that -- is that? 6 TODD BL...
Page 87 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 87 kmail them, was by encouraging them to have -- to 3 interact with -- with women, underage or not. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think in the 5 '90s, he ma...
Page 88 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 88 d 3 you know Mr. Epstein to encourage folks to do that, 4 whether it's a client or somebody else? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So with a -- with a -- 6 I cert...
Page 89 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 89 Page 89 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: And yes, young -- young 3 women and -- and is a crime. Children are --
Page 90 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 90 Page 90 1 DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients 3 themselves? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so let...
Page 91 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 91 , I know we're talking about the '90s, but are 7 we talking about early '90s or is this later on? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in terms of 9 massage, I am ...
Page 92 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 92 more and more masseuses. 4 What -- is that -- is that true, and what 5 role did you have in that? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was partially 7 true. 8 TO...
Page 93 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 93 BLANCHE: What -- 5 DAVID MARKUS: But just to be clear, you 6 never thought anybody was under 18? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never crossed -- I 8 never -- ...
Page 94 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 94 Page 94 1 asking me, I believe started in the 2000s. 2 TODD BLANCHE: In the 2000 time period? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 2000. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Why do ...
Page 95 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 95 r. You'll have to look. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. I'm not holding you 23 to exact dates. I'm not -- 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, I'm just 25 trying ...
Page 96 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 96 Page 96 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- I appreciate. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So then I think -- so 3 she -- she takes up with the local drug dealer and 4 she becomes...
Page 97 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 97 her. And that is how it started. 7 TODD BLANCHE: So before her -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Tony Figueroa. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Tony Figueroa is her 10 boyfrien...
Page 98 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 98 had to watch him masturbate. Like the 3 things that have been publicly said about what he 4 did. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: For n...
Page 99 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 99 Page 99 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with 2 lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse 3 ever look unhappy or not
Page 100 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 100 Page 100 1 off the side. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And then you mentioned some 4 other people. You mentioned President Clinton
Page 101 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 101 e, Jimmy Cayne, Lou Ranieri. I mean, there were -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: What about the royal 5 family? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. He didn't know 7 them in th...
Page 102 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 102 s. 15 Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as 16 having received massages? All of them. 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky 18 received a ma...
Page 103 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 103 Page 103 1 was naked during that massage? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't have any 3 idea. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 104 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 104 - in the very beginning of the conversation, 11 you mentioned President Trump in the early '90s. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: What -- w...
Page 105 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 105 entire 6 relationship with him. 7 TODD BLANCHE: What about Mr. Epstein's 8 relationship with him? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how they 10 met, a...
Page 106 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 106 -- 2 loved going there. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there 4 alone or with Mr. Epstein? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Do...
Page 107 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 107 Page 107 1 of -- I think you're -- you're in some of the 2 photographs -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- as well. Those all 5 appear to ...
Page 108 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 108 Page 108 1 think you saw, in person, President Trump? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Um, it was -- it's -- 3 it's been a long time. Probably not -- sometime in ...
Page 109 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 109 Page 109 1 Mr. Epstein? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've never recruited a 3 masseuse from Mar-a-Lago for that, as far as I 4 remember. I can't ever r
Page 110 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 110 g, namely around 2 young masseuses or young women who would be present 3 and what you observed -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- relatin...
Page 111 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 111 - what's the word I'm looking for? To develop 6 it. Sorry. That's the word. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Develop -- develop the 9 island...
Page 112 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 112 id do that. 18 TODD BLANCHE: So did, over the years, 19 males also give massages to Mr. Epstein? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I did say, I 21 don't thin...
Page 113 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 113 ual, I was 4 going to say misconduct, but any sexual -- any sex at 5 all whatsoever on the plane? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never on the plane, 7 no. 8 TOD...
Page 114 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 114 Page 114 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't say that. I 2 might have -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I definitely mig
Page 115 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 115 wanted to -- made him get more massages or that was 16 just one part of what changed about him? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, he became more 18 aggressi...
Page 116 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 116 16 1 progression or change, let's focus on that time 2 period, so the more towards the late '90s. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The testosterone. 4 Yeah, okay....
Page 117 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 117 Page 117 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or maybe that's not right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's not right. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Let me take back what I 4 just said. Ignore...
Page 118 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 118 im. 6 TODD BLANCHE: When you said he said that, 7 you mean he regularly told you that? Like he -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When I first -- 9 because when ...
Page 119 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 119 t, did you think to yourself, 9 well, geez, that makes sense now that I think about 10 it or no? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: First of all, I 12 didn't -- th...
Page 120 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 120 Page 120 1 register, because -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- along with all of 4 those -- well, not in 2006, but later when the more ...
Page 121 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 121 008, they had 3 interviewed 44 women, let's say, or around that 4 number. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: You have to 7 understand, not a...
Page 122 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 122 Page 122 1 have to -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- hear my point of 4 view. It's better if it comes from her own words and 5 that way...
Page 123 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 123 Page 123 1 and trained her and not you. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So wait. So then in 3 her first FBI meeting, she reports seeing a woman 4 with short dark...
Page 124 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 124 Page 124 1 DAVID MARKUS: -- stop there and let him 2 ask the next question. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: You're good. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 125 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 125 Page 125 1 to this obviously -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- so that's a 4 separate story. I'm not going to pretend -- well, 5 we'l...
Page 126 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 126 , either 11 like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or 12 just generally with FBI agents? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 14 TODD BLANCHE: Do you thi...
Page 127 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 127 in. 6 TODD BLANCHE: What do you mean by that? 7 When you said "finding money," what do you mean? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, his business 9 where he --...
Page 128 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 128 that whole aspect of that is -- can I use a 3 bad word? 4 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Bullshit. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay....
Page 129 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 129 Page 129 1 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So I want to just shift for 4 a few minutes to talk about post-2000. 2000 ...
Page 130 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 130 s, Barings Bank and he had like, sort 5 of -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: That was, you're talking 7 about -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before he met me. 9 TODD BLANCH...
Page 131 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 131 iana, but -- I'm not 21 going to do that. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So that was 23 pre-meeting you. 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, that was -- that 25 event h...
Page 132 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 132 Page 132 1 TODD BLANCHE: Oh, okay. That was 2 (Inaudible). 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I would -- 4 sometime -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: Understood. 6 GHISLAIN...
Page 133 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 133 for the record. She was 10 in -- do you want to ask me something? 11 TODD BLANCHE: No, go ahead. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. She was -- she 13 had a h...
Page 134 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 134 Page 134 1 an exact date, but when, approximately, was that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, we can date it 3 from that picture, if you find me the picture...
Page 135 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 135 d a role in them getting 5 together. You're just saying you didn't say, Prince, 6 here's Jeffrey. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would never have 8 introduced...
Page 136 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 136 ce Andrew and Mr. Epstein's relationship, from 10 the times you just described or you give me -- 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So after that, 12 at some...
Page 137 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 137 CHE: And then with respect to 23 and Prince Andrew, what do you know about 24 that relationship? 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Would you like to ask DOJ REDAC...
Page 138 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 138 7 before you say what you read, because that's one of 8 the problems is that we're all kind of -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I 10 know -- 1...
Page 139 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 139 23 come -- this is where it will -- allegedly started. 24 LEAH SAFFIAN: And they went to Tramp. 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, right. We went to DOJ REDACT...
Page 141 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 141 roximately an hour outside of London, an hour and 4 a half -- 5 LEAH SAFFIAN: An hour and a half. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- an hour and a half 7 outside...
Page 142 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 142 Page 142 1 feet in total. Well, maybe that; is that right? 2 Maybe nine -- 3 LEAH SAFFIAN: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It is on three floors, 5 however....
Page 143 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 143 room, you saw like a hundred of you, like you do 6 if you were in -- 7 DAVID MARKUS: A fun house. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, well, Alice in 9 Wonderla...
Page 144 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 144 So you think it's kind of 5 logistically and physically not something that could 6 have happened. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, there's that. 8 And there...
Page 145 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 145 st to be clear, the 7 photo, you're talking about, you're talking about the 8 famous one where -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I have a image 10 of it h...
Page 146 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 146 Well, without -- 16 putting aside the relationship, why do you think they 17 created that story? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe that story 19 was cre...
Page 147 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 147 ake. 3 Do you think it was just misdated or do 4 you think it's a fake -- literally a fake photo? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe it's 6 literally a fa...
Page 148 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 148 Page 148 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not. 2 TODD BLANCHE: So you don't have a 3 specific recollection of kind of being at an event
Page 149 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 149 young women who were masseuses would be 9 invited to the party, as guests or his entertainment? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I certainly went to 11 his house...
Page 150 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 150 know -- so you don't 2 remember -- you didn't attend President Clinton's 3 daughter's wedding -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- Chelse...
Page 151 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 151 use and became friendly 13 with him, because of Philip Levine. 14 DAVID MARKUS: Because of what? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Philip Levine. 16 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 152 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 152 Page 152 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Yeah. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- I'm not suggesting that 3 I know the answer to it. I'm generally ju
Page 153 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 153 to believe me and -- because I mean this. There 3 is so much information in the public sphere -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I see. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 154 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 154 Page 154 1 Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding 4 in -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: So when would that have...
Page 155 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 155 Page 155 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, we knew each 2 other. I thought he was wonderful and fun and I 3 enjoyed meeting him, but
Page 156 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 156 er. I think 5 that's what happened. I think that's it. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And why do you think that? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because it just popped 8 into m...
Page 157 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 157 Page 157 1 anything inappropriate? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- did you -- 4 do you know one way or the other,...
Page 159 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 159 - that's the 7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period 9 of that? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after 11 I brok...
Page 160 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 160 Page 160 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I was in 2 charge. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So back in like '90, early 4 '90s? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL:
Page 161 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 161 Page 161 1 island? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he go to Palm -- 4 meet -- go to Palm Beach House? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Y
Page 162 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 162 Page 162 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- 2 first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of 3 relationship with Harvey Wein
Page 163 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 163 d, do you know 15 whether Mr. Epstein was involved in your family 16 business, that you know of? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not, in any 18 respe...
Page 164 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 164 there's no -- he wouldn't have done 5 business with your father's companies in the '80s 6 either. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. I'm a 8 hundred...
Page 165 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 165 Page 165 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there is nothing 2 like that. 3 TODD BLANCHE: That you know of. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That I --
Page 166 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 166 said you think you might know or 8 that you're aware of kind of the origin of this 9 narrative. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to 11 reitera...
Page 167 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 167 he, Brad Edwards 7 becomes a cooperating witness -- cooperating -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Confidential. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- confidential 10 informant, so...
Page 171 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 171 nd that is 9 the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of 10 that. 11 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was 13 created --...
Page 172 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 172 t, it's 11 just manufactured. Meaning, have you seen the list, 12 even fake? Like do you know -- 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I haven't seen it, but 14 what ...
Page 173 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 173 hey never ever 3 say that they were farmed out to anybody. 4 TODD BLANCHE: But the list itself -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: -- where i...
Page 174 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 174 ng, is that somewhere 17 along the way he went through and kind of marked that 18 list to say -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where 20 that book...
Page 175 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 175 h big parts of it redacted publicly, 8 because there was people's addresses and whatnot on 9 it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. That's what I'm 11 talking...
Page 176 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 176 st or black book or a list of 20 individuals who, you know, linked to certain 21 masseuses or -- 22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. 23 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 177 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 177 t a 7 birthday book that you assembled for Mr. Epstein, I 8 think, for his 50th birthday in 2003. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true. 10 TODD BLANCHE: W...
Page 178 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 178 Page 178 1 birthday, say anything you want on a piece of paper. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, nothing more 4 than that. 5 T...
Page 179 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 179 Page 179 1 note? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Do you think the 4 articles -- well, do you remember seeing that book or
Page 180 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 180 d -- a picture of a naked woman or 2 something like that. 3 Do you have any recollection of that? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. But just -- 5 no, I d...
Page 181 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 181 Page 181 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do remember some 2 pages. 3 TODD BLANCHE: -- seeing some pages of the 4 book? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL
Page 182 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 182 Do you know whether 9 Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane to 10 any of his houses? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that 12 friendship...
Page 183 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 183 Page 183 1 TODD BLANCHE: Who's that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Reid is a Silicon 3 Valley guy. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Is what? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Silicon Valley...
Page 184 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 184 Page 184 1 That list, do you know how that list was 2 created? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. That -- all that 4 stuff that came out of that book, I now fin...
Page 185 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 185 Page 185 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there would've -- 2 so there's two things -- well, three ways. So I know 3 that the house itsel
Page 186 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 186 od, 3 would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind 4 of maintained or who maintained it? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- 6 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 187 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 187 Page 187 1 about it. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I can't -- 4 let's put it this way. If he did, I have no 5 recollection o...
Page 188 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 188 Page 188 1 DAVID MARKUS: But it's still enforceable 2 as to her. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, he never said, 4 hey, do you -- are you happy with this ...
Page 189 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 189 during 7 that time, like when he was allowed to leave during 8 the day or travel during the day? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never called him. I 10 never s...
Page 190 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 190 Page 190 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- 3 we asked this -- we talked about thi
Page 191 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 191 Page 191 1 taking testosterone. Did you ever know him to take 2 any other drugs? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, he took 4 pills for his heart, I thi...
Page 192 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 192 Page 192 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember any 3 conversations with Epstein about a book that Mr.
Page 193 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 193 Page 193 1 relationship; close, friendly? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My personal? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not that close, but 5 friendly e...
Page 194 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 194 about the book anyway. 21 Do you remember asking President Trump to 22 submit a letter for that? 23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. 24 TODD BLANCHE: And ...
Page 195 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 195 Page 195 1 somebody else -- would somebody else have done that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did ask some people. 3 I don't remember Mr. Trump. I don't reme...
Page 196 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 196 ak, Prime Minister Barak, do you know what the 3 nature of his relationship was with Mr. Epstein? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Do you...
Page 197 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 197 Page 197 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did she -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't know she was 4 a gymnast. 5 TODD BLA
Page 198 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 198 Page 198 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark 3 Middleton -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes,
Page 199 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 199 ng Mark Middleton at the 2 island. 3 TODD BLANCHE: How about former US Senator 4 George Mitchell? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I do remember 6 George. 7...
Page 200 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 200 Page 200 1 to New Mexico? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 3 remember George ever at the island. But the most 4 memorable trip I do recall
Page 201 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 201 ge 201 1 in a pub in Dublin. 2 TODD BLANCHE: And did he travel with 3 Mr. Epstein, that you know? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 5 know if --...
Page 202 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 202 Page 202 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I 3 think. 4 TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names 5 that we might talk about
Page 203 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 203 Page 203 1 that observed something? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever 3 reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that 4 is no. And also...
Page 204 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 204 d seen and your knowledge of 5 Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew 6 him, right? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a 8 third ...
Page 205 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 205 so 5 you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given 6 all the things we just talked about. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he 8 died by su...
Page 206 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 206 Page 206 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or 2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a little ...
Page 207 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 207 and powerful people, that's what 13 I -- do you have any reason to believe that that's 14 true? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not have any 16 reason to b...
Page 208 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 208 Page 208 1 spoke with him? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Maybe 2016, 2017, 3 maybe 2016 -- 2015, 2016, 2017 in that area, I 4 believe. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And
Page 209 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 209 Page 209 1 TODD BLANCHE: What did you think he was 2 angry with you about? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was angry 4 that I had even said that I had...
Page 210 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 210 14 behaving much differently. Did you believe what you 15 were hearing about him at that point? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't 17 like the p...
Page 213 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 213 ldn't take the lack of a next step as anything 15 other than, we don't have a next step yet, so. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: May I say something? 17 TODD BL...
Page 214 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (5).pdf - 214 ddressed. I've seen it, it struck me, and I would 7 like to give it to you. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: For what it's worth. 10 TODD BL...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 1 Page 1 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 24, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deput...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 2 s well. 22 And then David. 23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar 24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Lea...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 3 Page 3 1 I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 2 MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is 3 Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine 4 Maxwell. 5 TODD
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 4 y today, we cannot use against you 14 in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one. 15 Okay? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. 17 TODD BLANCHE: All...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 5 e met with Ms. Maxwell back in July 18 of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. 19 Okay? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. 21 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 6 Page 6 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've 3 already signed it, as has Special Agent Horn --
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 7 Page 7 1 case. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did 5 speak to him and
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 8 onship with Mr. Epstein, from 9 the time you met him all the way up until -- until 10 his death. 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Epstein in 12 1991. M...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 10 t 5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you 7 met -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met 9 Mr. Eps...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 11 ing at his 14 office for you to meet him just personally or were 15 you -- were you there for -- 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just -- 17 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 12 6 him in 1991, up until the time he -- he passed away? 7 DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights. 9 So I -- ...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 13 do. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic 4 relationship with him at this point or just friends? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. 6 TODD BLANCH...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 14 in have a business relationship over the years? 7 I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- 9 TODD BL...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 15 d to -- because (indiscernible) 16 so . . . 17 TODD BLANCHE: So they never -- they never 18 met. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't even know 20 who he w...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 16 n him, right, when I said, this is who he 5 was, he didn't know who he was. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he 8 rang Ji...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 17 know that at some 14 point my father told me he's fine. You can see him. 15 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He's safe. 17 TODD BLANCHE: Okay...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 18 me period or whatever, but to the extent 9 you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just 11 full di...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 19 Page 19 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if it was 2 a year. I don't -- it feels that feels long, but 3 maybe nine months, I m
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 20 18 in a relationship, but then it didn't -- you really 19 were not in that type of relationship. 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I thought -- 21 TODD BLAN...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 21 Page 21 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I would go to his 3 houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house 4 actually in -- no, that's no
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 22 Page 22 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. 3 TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition. Okay. 4 GHISL
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 23 Page 23 1 basically your life, like you were with him pretty 2 regularly. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- no. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 25 know it now 7 because I can see from the emails. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So, you know from the 9 case -- 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, not from -- 11 TODD BLANCH...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 26 ve the first 2 thing that he purchased after was the ranch in 3 New Mexico. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had 6 tasked me ...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 27 hat 11 make it special. 12 TODD BLANCHE: So were you -- were you 13 paid by him along the way -- 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- 15 TODD BLANCHE: -- dur...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 28 on 3 that money to live and his generosity to live or did 4 you have your own -- your own money. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there's a -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 29 oney or whatever equity 14 was in the businesses, just stayed with your other 15 family members? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there was no 17 money. So m...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 30 5 very different financially. You -- you're very 6 different financially positioned than he is -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- ...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 31 re a bed bedroom sometimes or 2 whatever. He had another girlfriend. 3 TODD BLANCHE: He had what? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Other girlfriends. I 5 definiti...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 32 Page 32 1 say you realized kind of it was over? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I mean, I'm 3 talking about the -- the -- I had had, there was a -- 4 I had...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 33 think. And I was with Ted from that time. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Did you meet him through 7 Mr. Epstein? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Well, indirectly, 9 I suppo...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 34 lane 2 for that trip? I don't mean everybody. 3 When you said, so Mr. Epstein was on the 4 plane? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: You were o...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 35 Page 35 1 Mr. Epstein. Does that make sense? 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's why I say that. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So you're -- you'r...
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 36 ve the Carrier, whatever, you 6 know. 7 TODD BLANCHE: When did Mr. Epstein 8 purchase the island? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say '96 or 10 '97, so...
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 37 Page 37 1 him, like you don't see him or it's just a different 2 relationship? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did see -- I maybe 4 saw him once or twice, mayb...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 38 e period is 3 there like more of a break, where you're no longer 4 acting as his general manager? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to 6 have a fu...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 39 could -- I could look after 3 her the way that I would -- sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: It's all right. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The way that I 6 would've liked ...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 40 - your relationship with 14 Mr. Maxwell [sic] -- professional and other changes 15 in 2003, '04? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. I mean, and 17 over the t...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 41 Page 41 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Go ahead. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I had -- I was not 3 in -- well -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Well, were you part of that 5 inves...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 42 cords or subpoena anything from your financial 3 life, during that time? During the -- that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not as far as I'm 5 aware. ...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 43 ship moved into sort 5 of like a long-term friend-family, you know, like -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- like I felt he had 8 with Ev...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 44 2 mother had died now. I can't remember the timing of 3 all of that either. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But I ended up in Palm 6 Beach ...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 45 were just told 8 by somebody that knew that it had happened or don't 9 -- or don't you remember? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Definitely not him. 11 TODD BLA...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 46 Page 46 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't -- I 2 didn't -- I didn't -- I'm not sure even what I 3 thought. I was like, that's weird
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 47 Page 47 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked -- he -- he 2 -- he told me, he said, "Listen. I'm going to jail." 3 I was like, "Okay."
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 48 Page 48 1 end? When was that that it stopped? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 2008, or '09. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: '09. When did he come 5 ou...
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 49 E: -- so when he's going to go 2 to jail, he says, "Can you stay around and manage 3 everything." 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And do yo...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 50 had to find someone who was trilingual 2 to -- and that he trusted -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not 5 steal from h...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 51 1 1 don't think so. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Where were you living 3 during that time period? Or was it -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Which time period? 5 TODD BLANC...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 52 Page 52 1 know, been contacted by law enforcement before his 2 arrest? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I wasn't in an 4 indictment. 5 TODD BLANCHE: No. I kno...
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 53 Page 53 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. The Southern 2 District of New York. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. And that they 4 had been in regular, in touch wit...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 54 ." 17 What did you learn about his wealth and 18 how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he 20 told ...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 55 Page 55 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Dalton. He was 2 working at Dalton, he was a math teacher. And he 3 met, I think it was Ace, I'm n
Page 56 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 56 Page 56 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: What you learned? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. This is what he 4 told me -- 5 TO
Page 57 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 57 , goes to it. This didn't happen. I'm just 13 -- 14 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah -- yeah. I 15 understand. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- just coming up with 17 somet...
Page 58 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 58 Page 58 1 hypothetical -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- the -- please, 3 that was completely hypothetical. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- but that -- but that
Page 59 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 59 Page 59 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Something he told 2 me before I met him. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And so when you meet him 4 and -- and
Page 60 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 60 ient's money or 2 anything like that. So it's separate. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah. I understand. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead....
Page 61 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 61 Page 61 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. Yes. All -- 2 this is all Wexner I'm talking about now. 3 So let's say you had a billion do
Page 62 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 62 1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't -- 2 sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was t...
Page 63 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 63 Page 63 1 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and 4 Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they --
Page 64 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 64 Page 64 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I did meet Leon. 2 I do know Leon. 3 TODD BLANCHE: When do you remember -- and 4 again, I know
Page 65 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 65 Page 65 1 How many clients like that did Mr. Epstein 2 have? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But why don't I just 4 give you the names that I remember and that's...
Page 66 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 66 mean, he -- I really had a 2 separate life. We really had separate lives -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they 5 synced. ...
Page 67 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 67 that sort of ... 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So Mr. Black, 6 Mr. Werner [sic] -- Ms. Johnson. Who else? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's the name of the 8 woman ...
Page 68 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 68 Page 68 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- both. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Both. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And do y
Page 69 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 69 Page 69 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- were there more? Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, yes. There were 3 more. There was a lady whose name I just can't -- 4 can I...
Page 70 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 70 the entire time. And 3 it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... 4 TODD BLANCHE: Understand. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 G...
Page 71 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 71 Page 71 1 mean, if you can -- do you know when -- about when 2 that relationship started? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Whenever -- well, 4 wouldn't have been ...
Page 72 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 72 Page 72 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 2 DAVID MARKUS: -- because we'll probably 3 meet tomorrow. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But you can
Page 73 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 73 Page 73 1 TODD BLANCHE: And when you say "help," 2 the same help in business or what help? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so-- so -- I 4 have no idea what...
Page 74 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 74 Page 74 1 say that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me 3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it. 4 What I saw or what I felt
Page 75 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 75 Page 75 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which 3 means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been
Page 76 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 76 Page 76 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So even, let's assume 3 that that premise is correct, that he was doing that 4 and he was going to
Page 77 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 77 ully stating the obvious, 5 but when you say "the houses," you're talking about 6 his New York -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- brownst...
Page 78 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 78 Page 78 1 doing. Yes. I didn't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any 4 electrician on the plane. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: --...
Page 79 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 79 Page 79 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the reason -- so 3 in Palm Beach, Epstein was having money stolen. He 4 noticed money was bein
Page 80 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 80 t 6 aware of any cameras at the island -- no. Sorry. 7 You're -- just so we record it because ... 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry -- sorry -- 9 sorry. ...
Page 81 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 81 m, take pictures of anybody in 8 compromising positions with women or with -- or with 9 anybody? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 11 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ev...
Page 82 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 82 o exists, like what we're talking 2 about, or photos were taken that -- that were 3 compromising? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in the -- in both 5 of those...
Page 83 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 83 US: Pictures that Epstein had 2 with the girls, but not Epstein with the clients and 3 the girls. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did yo...
Page 84 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 84 olks we're talking about, or others which we can 6 talk about, getting massages from young women? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I just -- I 8 think it'...
Page 85 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 85 -- before 17 you get into all that, let's answer the top line 18 question and then get into it. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. The top line 20 question i...
Page 86 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 86 I think that this, 3 what you were talking about is a later version. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that -- is that? 6 TODD BL...
Page 87 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 87 kmail them, was by encouraging them to have -- to 3 interact with -- with women, underage or not. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think in the 5 '90s, he ma...
Page 88 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 88 d 3 you know Mr. Epstein to encourage folks to do that, 4 whether it's a client or somebody else? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So with a -- with a -- 6 I cert...
Page 89 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 89 Page 89 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: And yes, young -- young 3 women and -- and is a crime. Children are --
Page 90 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 90 Page 90 1 DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients 3 themselves? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so let...
Page 91 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 91 , I know we're talking about the '90s, but are 7 we talking about early '90s or is this later on? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in terms of 9 massage, I am ...
Page 92 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 92 more and more masseuses. 4 What -- is that -- is that true, and what 5 role did you have in that? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was partially 7 true. 8 TO...
Page 93 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 93 BLANCHE: What -- 5 DAVID MARKUS: But just to be clear, you 6 never thought anybody was under 18? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never crossed -- I 8 never -- ...
Page 94 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 94 Page 94 1 asking me, I believe started in the 2000s. 2 TODD BLANCHE: In the 2000 time period? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 2000. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Why do ...
Page 95 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 95 r. You'll have to look. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. I'm not holding you 23 to exact dates. I'm not -- 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, I'm just 25 trying ...
Page 96 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 96 Page 96 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- I appreciate. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So then I think -- so 3 she -- she takes up with the local drug dealer and 4 she becomes...
Page 97 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 97 her. And that is how it started. 7 TODD BLANCHE: So before her -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Tony Figueroa. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Tony Figueroa is her 10 boyfrien...
Page 98 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 98 had to watch him masturbate. Like the 3 things that have been publicly said about what he 4 did. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: For n...
Page 99 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 99 Page 99 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with 2 lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse 3 ever look unhappy or not
Page 100 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 100 Page 100 1 off the side. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And then you mentioned some 4 other people. You mentioned President Clinton
Page 101 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 101 e, Jimmy Cayne, Lou Ranieri. I mean, there were -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: What about the royal 5 family? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. He didn't know 7 them in th...
Page 102 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 102 s. 15 Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as 16 having received massages? All of them. 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky 18 received a ma...
Page 103 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 103 Page 103 1 was naked during that massage? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't have any 3 idea. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 104 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 104 - in the very beginning of the conversation, 11 you mentioned President Trump in the early '90s. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: What -- w...
Page 105 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 105 entire 6 relationship with him. 7 TODD BLANCHE: What about Mr. Epstein's 8 relationship with him? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how they 10 met, a...
Page 106 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 106 -- 2 loved going there. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there 4 alone or with Mr. Epstein? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Do...
Page 107 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 107 Page 107 1 of -- I think you're -- you're in some of the 2 photographs -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- as well. Those all 5 appear to ...
Page 108 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 108 Page 108 1 think you saw, in person, President Trump? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Um, it was -- it's -- 3 it's been a long time. Probably not -- sometime in ...
Page 109 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 109 Page 109 1 Mr. Epstein? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've never recruited a 3 masseuse from Mar-a-Lago for that, as far as I 4 remember. I can't ever r
Page 110 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 110 g, namely around 2 young masseuses or young women who would be present 3 and what you observed -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- relatin...
Page 111 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 111 - what's the word I'm looking for? To develop 6 it. Sorry. That's the word. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Develop -- develop the 9 island...
Page 112 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 112 id do that. 18 TODD BLANCHE: So did, over the years, 19 males also give massages to Mr. Epstein? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I did say, I 21 don't thin...
Page 113 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 113 ual, I was 4 going to say misconduct, but any sexual -- any sex at 5 all whatsoever on the plane? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never on the plane, 7 no. 8 TOD...
Page 114 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 114 Page 114 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't say that. I 2 might have -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I definitely mig
Page 115 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 115 wanted to -- made him get more massages or that was 16 just one part of what changed about him? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, he became more 18 aggressi...
Page 116 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 116 16 1 progression or change, let's focus on that time 2 period, so the more towards the late '90s. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The testosterone. 4 Yeah, okay....
Page 117 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 117 Page 117 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or maybe that's not right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's not right. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Let me take back what I 4 just said. Ignore...
Page 118 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 118 im. 6 TODD BLANCHE: When you said he said that, 7 you mean he regularly told you that? Like he -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When I first -- 9 because when ...
Page 119 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 119 t, did you think to yourself, 9 well, geez, that makes sense now that I think about 10 it or no? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: First of all, I 12 didn't -- th...
Page 120 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 120 Page 120 1 register, because -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- along with all of 4 those -- well, not in 2006, but later when the more ...
Page 121 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 121 008, they had 3 interviewed 44 women, let's say, or around that 4 number. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: You have to 7 understand, not a...
Page 122 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 122 Page 122 1 have to -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- hear my point of 4 view. It's better if it comes from her own words and 5 that way...
Page 123 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 123 Page 123 1 and trained her and not you. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So wait. So then in 3 her first FBI meeting, she reports seeing a woman 4 with short dark...
Page 124 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 124 Page 124 1 DAVID MARKUS: -- stop there and let him 2 ask the next question. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: You're good. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 125 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 125 Page 125 1 to this obviously -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- so that's a 4 separate story. I'm not going to pretend -- well, 5 we'l...
Page 126 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 126 , either 11 like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or 12 just generally with FBI agents? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 14 TODD BLANCHE: Do you thi...
Page 127 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 127 in. 6 TODD BLANCHE: What do you mean by that? 7 When you said "finding money," what do you mean? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, his business 9 where he --...
Page 128 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 128 that whole aspect of that is -- can I use a 3 bad word? 4 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Bullshit. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay....
Page 129 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 129 Page 129 1 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So I want to just shift for 4 a few minutes to talk about post-2000. 2000 ...
Page 130 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 130 s, Barings Bank and he had like, sort 5 of -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: That was, you're talking 7 about -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before he met me. 9 TODD BLANCH...
Page 131 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 131 iana, but -- I'm not 21 going to do that. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So that was 23 pre-meeting you. 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, that was -- that 25 event h...
Page 132 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 132 Page 132 1 TODD BLANCHE: Oh, okay. That was 2 (Inaudible). 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I would -- 4 sometime -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: Understood. 6 GHISLAIN...
Page 133 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 133 for the record. She was 10 in -- do you want to ask me something? 11 TODD BLANCHE: No, go ahead. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. She was -- she 13 had a h...
Page 134 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 134 Page 134 1 an exact date, but when, approximately, was that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, we can date it 3 from that picture, if you find me the picture...
Page 135 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 135 d a role in them getting 5 together. You're just saying you didn't say, Prince, 6 here's Jeffrey. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would never have 8 introduced...
Page 136 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 136 ce Andrew and Mr. Epstein's relationship, from 10 the times you just described or you give me -- 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So after that, 12 at some...
Page 137 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 137 CHE: And then with respect to 23 and Prince Andrew, what do you know about 24 that relationship? 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Would you like to ask DOJ REDAC...
Page 138 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 138 7 before you say what you read, because that's one of 8 the problems is that we're all kind of -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I 10 know -- 1...
Page 139 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 139 23 come -- this is where it will -- allegedly started. 24 LEAH SAFFIAN: And they went to Tramp. 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, right. We went to DOJ REDACT...
Page 141 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 141 roximately an hour outside of London, an hour and 4 a half -- 5 LEAH SAFFIAN: An hour and a half. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- an hour and a half 7 outside...
Page 142 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 142 Page 142 1 feet in total. Well, maybe that; is that right? 2 Maybe nine -- 3 LEAH SAFFIAN: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It is on three floors, 5 however....
Page 143 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 143 room, you saw like a hundred of you, like you do 6 if you were in -- 7 DAVID MARKUS: A fun house. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, well, Alice in 9 Wonderla...
Page 144 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 144 So you think it's kind of 5 logistically and physically not something that could 6 have happened. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, there's that. 8 And there...
Page 145 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 145 st to be clear, the 7 photo, you're talking about, you're talking about the 8 famous one where -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I have a image 10 of it h...
Page 146 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 146 Well, without -- 16 putting aside the relationship, why do you think they 17 created that story? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe that story 19 was cre...
Page 147 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 147 ake. 3 Do you think it was just misdated or do 4 you think it's a fake -- literally a fake photo? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe it's 6 literally a fa...
Page 148 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 148 Page 148 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not. 2 TODD BLANCHE: So you don't have a 3 specific recollection of kind of being at an event
Page 149 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 149 young women who were masseuses would be 9 invited to the party, as guests or his entertainment? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I certainly went to 11 his house...
Page 150 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 150 know -- so you don't 2 remember -- you didn't attend President Clinton's 3 daughter's wedding -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- Chelse...
Page 151 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 151 use and became friendly 13 with him, because of Philip Levine. 14 DAVID MARKUS: Because of what? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Philip Levine. 16 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 152 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 152 Page 152 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Yeah. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- I'm not suggesting that 3 I know the answer to it. I'm generally ju
Page 153 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 153 to believe me and -- because I mean this. There 3 is so much information in the public sphere -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I see. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 154 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 154 Page 154 1 Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding 4 in -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: So when would that have...
Page 155 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 155 Page 155 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, we knew each 2 other. I thought he was wonderful and fun and I 3 enjoyed meeting him, but
Page 156 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 156 er. I think 5 that's what happened. I think that's it. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And why do you think that? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because it just popped 8 into m...
Page 157 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 157 Page 157 1 anything inappropriate? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- did you -- 4 do you know one way or the other,...
Page 159 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 159 - that's the 7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period 9 of that? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after 11 I brok...
Page 160 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 160 Page 160 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I was in 2 charge. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So back in like '90, early 4 '90s? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL:
Page 161 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 161 Page 161 1 island? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he go to Palm -- 4 meet -- go to Palm Beach House? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Y
Page 162 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 162 Page 162 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- 2 first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of 3 relationship with Harvey Wein
Page 163 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 163 d, do you know 15 whether Mr. Epstein was involved in your family 16 business, that you know of? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not, in any 18 respe...
Page 164 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 164 there's no -- he wouldn't have done 5 business with your father's companies in the '80s 6 either. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. I'm a 8 hundred...
Page 165 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 165 Page 165 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there is nothing 2 like that. 3 TODD BLANCHE: That you know of. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That I --
Page 166 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 166 said you think you might know or 8 that you're aware of kind of the origin of this 9 narrative. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to 11 reitera...
Page 167 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 167 he, Brad Edwards 7 becomes a cooperating witness -- cooperating -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Confidential. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- confidential 10 informant, so...
Page 171 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 171 nd that is 9 the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of 10 that. 11 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was 13 created --...
Page 172 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 172 t, it's 11 just manufactured. Meaning, have you seen the list, 12 even fake? Like do you know -- 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I haven't seen it, but 14 what ...
Page 173 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 173 hey never ever 3 say that they were farmed out to anybody. 4 TODD BLANCHE: But the list itself -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: -- where i...
Page 174 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 174 ng, is that somewhere 17 along the way he went through and kind of marked that 18 list to say -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where 20 that book...
Page 175 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 175 h big parts of it redacted publicly, 8 because there was people's addresses and whatnot on 9 it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. That's what I'm 11 talking...
Page 176 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 176 st or black book or a list of 20 individuals who, you know, linked to certain 21 masseuses or -- 22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. 23 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 177 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 177 t a 7 birthday book that you assembled for Mr. Epstein, I 8 think, for his 50th birthday in 2003. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true. 10 TODD BLANCHE: W...
Page 178 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 178 Page 178 1 birthday, say anything you want on a piece of paper. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, nothing more 4 than that. 5 T...
Page 179 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 179 Page 179 1 note? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Do you think the 4 articles -- well, do you remember seeing that book or
Page 180 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 180 d -- a picture of a naked woman or 2 something like that. 3 Do you have any recollection of that? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. But just -- 5 no, I d...
Page 181 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 181 Page 181 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do remember some 2 pages. 3 TODD BLANCHE: -- seeing some pages of the 4 book? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL
Page 182 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 182 Do you know whether 9 Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane to 10 any of his houses? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that 12 friendship...
Page 183 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 183 Page 183 1 TODD BLANCHE: Who's that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Reid is a Silicon 3 Valley guy. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Is what? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Silicon Valley...
Page 184 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 184 Page 184 1 That list, do you know how that list was 2 created? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. That -- all that 4 stuff that came out of that book, I now fin...
Page 185 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 185 Page 185 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there would've -- 2 so there's two things -- well, three ways. So I know 3 that the house itsel
Page 186 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 186 od, 3 would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind 4 of maintained or who maintained it? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- 6 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 187 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 187 Page 187 1 about it. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I can't -- 4 let's put it this way. If he did, I have no 5 recollection o...
Page 188 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 188 Page 188 1 DAVID MARKUS: But it's still enforceable 2 as to her. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, he never said, 4 hey, do you -- are you happy with this ...
Page 189 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 189 during 7 that time, like when he was allowed to leave during 8 the day or travel during the day? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never called him. I 10 never s...
Page 190 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 190 Page 190 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- 3 we asked this -- we talked about thi
Page 191 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 191 Page 191 1 taking testosterone. Did you ever know him to take 2 any other drugs? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, he took 4 pills for his heart, I thi...
Page 192 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 192 Page 192 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember any 3 conversations with Epstein about a book that Mr.
Page 193 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 193 Page 193 1 relationship; close, friendly? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My personal? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not that close, but 5 friendly e...
Page 194 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 194 about the book anyway. 21 Do you remember asking President Trump to 22 submit a letter for that? 23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. 24 TODD BLANCHE: And ...
Page 195 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 195 Page 195 1 somebody else -- would somebody else have done that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did ask some people. 3 I don't remember Mr. Trump. I don't reme...
Page 196 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 196 ak, Prime Minister Barak, do you know what the 3 nature of his relationship was with Mr. Epstein? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Do you...
Page 197 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 197 Page 197 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did she -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't know she was 4 a gymnast. 5 TODD BLA
Page 198 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 198 Page 198 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark 3 Middleton -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes,
Page 199 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 199 ng Mark Middleton at the 2 island. 3 TODD BLANCHE: How about former US Senator 4 George Mitchell? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I do remember 6 George. 7...
Page 200 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 200 Page 200 1 to New Mexico? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 3 remember George ever at the island. But the most 4 memorable trip I do recall
Page 201 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 201 ge 201 1 in a pub in Dublin. 2 TODD BLANCHE: And did he travel with 3 Mr. Epstein, that you know? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 5 know if --...
Page 202 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 202 Page 202 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I 3 think. 4 TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names 5 that we might talk about
Page 203 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 203 Page 203 1 that observed something? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever 3 reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that 4 is no. And also...
Page 204 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 204 d seen and your knowledge of 5 Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew 6 him, right? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a 8 third ...
Page 205 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 205 so 5 you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given 6 all the things we just talked about. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he 8 died by su...
Page 206 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 206 Page 206 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or 2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a little ...
Page 207 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 207 and powerful people, that's what 13 I -- do you have any reason to believe that that's 14 true? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not have any 16 reason to b...
Page 208 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 208 Page 208 1 spoke with him? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Maybe 2016, 2017, 3 maybe 2016 -- 2015, 2016, 2017 in that area, I 4 believe. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And
Page 209 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 209 Page 209 1 TODD BLANCHE: What did you think he was 2 angry with you about? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was angry 4 that I had even said that I had...
Page 210 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 210 14 behaving much differently. Did you believe what you 15 were hearing about him at that point? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't 17 like the p...
Page 213 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 213 ldn't take the lack of a next step as anything 15 other than, we don't have a next step yet, so. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: May I say something? 17 TODD BL...
Page 214 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted) (6).pdf - 214 ddressed. I've seen it, it struck me, and I would 7 like to give it to you. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: For what it's worth. 10 TODD BL...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 1 Page 1 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 24, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deput...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 2 s well. 22 And then David. 23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar 24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Lea...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 3 Page 3 1 I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 2 MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is 3 Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine 4 Maxwell. 5 TODD
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 4 y today, we cannot use against you 14 in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one. 15 Okay? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. 17 TODD BLANCHE: All...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 5 e met with Ms. Maxwell back in July 18 of 2025? She told us and then say what she said. 19 Okay? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand. 21 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 6 Page 6 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've 3 already signed it, as has Special Agent Horn --
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 7 Page 7 1 case. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did 5 speak to him and
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 8 onship with Mr. Epstein, from 9 the time you met him all the way up until -- until 10 his death. 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Epstein in 12 1991. M...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 10 t 5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you 7 met -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met 9 Mr. Eps...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 11 ing at his 14 office for you to meet him just personally or were 15 you -- were you there for -- 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just -- 17 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 12 6 him in 1991, up until the time he -- he passed away? 7 DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights. 9 So I -- ...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 13 do. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic 4 relationship with him at this point or just friends? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends. 6 TODD BLANCH...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 14 in have a business relationship over the years? 7 I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- 9 TODD BL...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 15 d to -- because (indiscernible) 16 so . . . 17 TODD BLANCHE: So they never -- they never 18 met. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't even know 20 who he w...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 16 n him, right, when I said, this is who he 5 was, he didn't know who he was. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So he rang Ace and he 8 rang Ji...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 17 know that at some 14 point my father told me he's fine. You can see him. 15 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He's safe. 17 TODD BLANCHE: Okay...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 18 me period or whatever, but to the extent 9 you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just 11 full di...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 19 Page 19 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if it was 2 a year. I don't -- it feels that feels long, but 3 maybe nine months, I m
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 20 18 in a relationship, but then it didn't -- you really 19 were not in that type of relationship. 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I thought -- 21 TODD BLAN...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 21 Page 21 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I would go to his 3 houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house 4 actually in -- no, that's no
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 22 Page 22 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. 3 TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition. Okay. 4 GHISL
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 23 Page 23 1 basically your life, like you were with him pretty 2 regularly. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- no. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 25 know it now 7 because I can see from the emails. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So, you know from the 9 case -- 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, not from -- 11 TODD BLANCH...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 26 ve the first 2 thing that he purchased after was the ranch in 3 New Mexico. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had 6 tasked me ...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 27 hat 11 make it special. 12 TODD BLANCHE: So were you -- were you 13 paid by him along the way -- 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- 15 TODD BLANCHE: -- dur...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 28 on 3 that money to live and his generosity to live or did 4 you have your own -- your own money. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there's a -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 29 oney or whatever equity 14 was in the businesses, just stayed with your other 15 family members? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there was no 17 money. So m...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 30 5 very different financially. You -- you're very 6 different financially positioned than he is -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- ...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 31 re a bed bedroom sometimes or 2 whatever. He had another girlfriend. 3 TODD BLANCHE: He had what? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Other girlfriends. I 5 definiti...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 32 Page 32 1 say you realized kind of it was over? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I mean, I'm 3 talking about the -- the -- I had had, there was a -- 4 I had...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 33 think. And I was with Ted from that time. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Did you meet him through 7 Mr. Epstein? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Well, indirectly, 9 I suppo...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 34 lane 2 for that trip? I don't mean everybody. 3 When you said, so Mr. Epstein was on the 4 plane? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: You were o...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 35 Page 35 1 Mr. Epstein. Does that make sense? 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's why I say that. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So you're -- you'r...
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 36 ve the Carrier, whatever, you 6 know. 7 TODD BLANCHE: When did Mr. Epstein 8 purchase the island? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say '96 or 10 '97, so...
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 37 Page 37 1 him, like you don't see him or it's just a different 2 relationship? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did see -- I maybe 4 saw him once or twice, mayb...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 38 e period is 3 there like more of a break, where you're no longer 4 acting as his general manager? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to 6 have a fu...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 39 could -- I could look after 3 her the way that I would -- sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: It's all right. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The way that I 6 would've liked ...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 40 - your relationship with 14 Mr. Maxwell [sic] -- professional and other changes 15 in 2003, '04? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. I mean, and 17 over the t...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 41 Page 41 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Go ahead. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I had -- I was not 3 in -- well -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Well, were you part of that 5 inves...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 42 cords or subpoena anything from your financial 3 life, during that time? During the -- that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not as far as I'm 5 aware. ...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 43 ship moved into sort 5 of like a long-term friend-family, you know, like -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- like I felt he had 8 with Ev...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 44 2 mother had died now. I can't remember the timing of 3 all of that either. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But I ended up in Palm 6 Beach ...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 45 were just told 8 by somebody that knew that it had happened or don't 9 -- or don't you remember? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Definitely not him. 11 TODD BLA...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 46 Page 46 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't -- I 2 didn't -- I didn't -- I'm not sure even what I 3 thought. I was like, that's weird
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 47 Page 47 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked -- he -- he 2 -- he told me, he said, "Listen. I'm going to jail." 3 I was like, "Okay."
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 48 Page 48 1 end? When was that that it stopped? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 2008, or '09. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: '09. When did he come 5 ou...
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 49 E: -- so when he's going to go 2 to jail, he says, "Can you stay around and manage 3 everything." 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And do yo...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 50 had to find someone who was trilingual 2 to -- and that he trusted -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not 5 steal from h...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 51 1 1 don't think so. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Where were you living 3 during that time period? Or was it -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Which time period? 5 TODD BLANC...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 52 Page 52 1 know, been contacted by law enforcement before his 2 arrest? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I wasn't in an 4 indictment. 5 TODD BLANCHE: No. I kno...
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 53 Page 53 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. The Southern 2 District of New York. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. And that they 4 had been in regular, in touch wit...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 54 ." 17 What did you learn about his wealth and 18 how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he 20 told ...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 55 Page 55 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Dalton. He was 2 working at Dalton, he was a math teacher. And he 3 met, I think it was Ace, I'm n
Page 56 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 56 Page 56 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: What you learned? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. This is what he 4 told me -- 5 TO
Page 57 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 57 , goes to it. This didn't happen. I'm just 13 -- 14 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah -- yeah. I 15 understand. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- just coming up with 17 somet...
Page 58 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 58 Page 58 1 hypothetical -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- the -- please, 3 that was completely hypothetical. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- but that -- but that
Page 59 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 59 Page 59 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Something he told 2 me before I met him. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And so when you meet him 4 and -- and
Page 60 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 60 ient's money or 2 anything like that. So it's separate. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah. I understand. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead....
Page 61 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 61 Page 61 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. Yes. All -- 2 this is all Wexner I'm talking about now. 3 So let's say you had a billion do
Page 62 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 62 1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't -- 2 sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was t...
Page 63 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 63 Page 63 1 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and 4 Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they --
Page 64 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 64 Page 64 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I did meet Leon. 2 I do know Leon. 3 TODD BLANCHE: When do you remember -- and 4 again, I know
Page 65 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 65 Page 65 1 How many clients like that did Mr. Epstein 2 have? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But why don't I just 4 give you the names that I remember and that's...
Page 66 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 66 mean, he -- I really had a 2 separate life. We really had separate lives -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they 5 synced. ...
Page 67 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 67 that sort of ... 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So Mr. Black, 6 Mr. Werner [sic] -- Ms. Johnson. Who else? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's the name of the 8 woman ...
Page 68 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 68 Page 68 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- both. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Both. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And do y
Page 69 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 69 Page 69 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- were there more? Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, yes. There were 3 more. There was a lady whose name I just can't -- 4 can I...
Page 70 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 70 the entire time. And 3 it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... 4 TODD BLANCHE: Understand. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 G...
Page 71 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 71 Page 71 1 mean, if you can -- do you know when -- about when 2 that relationship started? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Whenever -- well, 4 wouldn't have been ...
Page 72 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 72 Page 72 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 2 DAVID MARKUS: -- because we'll probably 3 meet tomorrow. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But you can
Page 73 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 73 Page 73 1 TODD BLANCHE: And when you say "help," 2 the same help in business or what help? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so-- so -- I 4 have no idea what...
Page 74 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 74 Page 74 1 say that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me 3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it. 4 What I saw or what I felt
Page 75 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 75 Page 75 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which 3 means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been
Page 76 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 76 Page 76 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So even, let's assume 3 that that premise is correct, that he was doing that 4 and he was going to
Page 77 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 77 ully stating the obvious, 5 but when you say "the houses," you're talking about 6 his New York -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- brownst...
Page 78 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 78 Page 78 1 doing. Yes. I didn't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any 4 electrician on the plane. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: --...
Page 79 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 79 Page 79 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the reason -- so 3 in Palm Beach, Epstein was having money stolen. He 4 noticed money was bein
Page 80 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 80 t 6 aware of any cameras at the island -- no. Sorry. 7 You're -- just so we record it because ... 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry -- sorry -- 9 sorry. ...
Page 81 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 81 m, take pictures of anybody in 8 compromising positions with women or with -- or with 9 anybody? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 11 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ev...
Page 82 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 82 o exists, like what we're talking 2 about, or photos were taken that -- that were 3 compromising? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in the -- in both 5 of those...
Page 83 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 83 US: Pictures that Epstein had 2 with the girls, but not Epstein with the clients and 3 the girls. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did yo...
Page 84 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 84 olks we're talking about, or others which we can 6 talk about, getting massages from young women? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I just -- I 8 think it'...
Page 85 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 85 -- before 17 you get into all that, let's answer the top line 18 question and then get into it. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. The top line 20 question i...
Page 86 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 86 I think that this, 3 what you were talking about is a later version. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that -- is that? 6 TODD BL...
Page 87 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 87 kmail them, was by encouraging them to have -- to 3 interact with -- with women, underage or not. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think in the 5 '90s, he ma...
Page 88 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 88 d 3 you know Mr. Epstein to encourage folks to do that, 4 whether it's a client or somebody else? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So with a -- with a -- 6 I cert...
Page 89 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 89 Page 89 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: And yes, young -- young 3 women and -- and is a crime. Children are --
Page 90 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 90 Page 90 1 DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients 3 themselves? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so let...
Page 91 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 91 , I know we're talking about the '90s, but are 7 we talking about early '90s or is this later on? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in terms of 9 massage, I am ...
Page 92 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 92 more and more masseuses. 4 What -- is that -- is that true, and what 5 role did you have in that? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was partially 7 true. 8 TO...
Page 93 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 93 BLANCHE: What -- 5 DAVID MARKUS: But just to be clear, you 6 never thought anybody was under 18? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never crossed -- I 8 never -- ...
Page 94 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 94 Page 94 1 asking me, I believe started in the 2000s. 2 TODD BLANCHE: In the 2000 time period? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 2000. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Why do ...
Page 95 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 95 r. You'll have to look. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. I'm not holding you 23 to exact dates. I'm not -- 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, I'm just 25 trying ...
Page 96 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 96 Page 96 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- I appreciate. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So then I think -- so 3 she -- she takes up with the local drug dealer and 4 she becomes...
Page 97 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 97 her. And that is how it started. 7 TODD BLANCHE: So before her -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Tony Figueroa. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Tony Figueroa is her 10 boyfrien...
Page 98 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 98 had to watch him masturbate. Like the 3 things that have been publicly said about what he 4 did. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: For n...
Page 99 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 99 Page 99 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with 2 lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse 3 ever look unhappy or not
Page 100 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 100 Page 100 1 off the side. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And then you mentioned some 4 other people. You mentioned President Clinton
Page 101 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 101 e, Jimmy Cayne, Lou Ranieri. I mean, there were -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: What about the royal 5 family? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. He didn't know 7 them in th...
Page 102 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 102 s. 15 Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as 16 having received massages? All of them. 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky 18 received a ma...
Page 103 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 103 Page 103 1 was naked during that massage? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't have any 3 idea. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 104 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 104 - in the very beginning of the conversation, 11 you mentioned President Trump in the early '90s. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: What -- w...
Page 105 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 105 entire 6 relationship with him. 7 TODD BLANCHE: What about Mr. Epstein's 8 relationship with him? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how they 10 met, a...
Page 106 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 106 -- 2 loved going there. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there 4 alone or with Mr. Epstein? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Do...
Page 107 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 107 Page 107 1 of -- I think you're -- you're in some of the 2 photographs -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: -- as well. Those all 5 appear to ...
Page 108 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 108 Page 108 1 think you saw, in person, President Trump? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Um, it was -- it's -- 3 it's been a long time. Probably not -- sometime in ...
Page 109 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 109 Page 109 1 Mr. Epstein? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've never recruited a 3 masseuse from Mar-a-Lago for that, as far as I 4 remember. I can't ever r
Page 110 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 110 g, namely around 2 young masseuses or young women who would be present 3 and what you observed -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- relatin...
Page 111 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 111 - what's the word I'm looking for? To develop 6 it. Sorry. That's the word. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Develop -- develop the 9 island...
Page 112 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 112 id do that. 18 TODD BLANCHE: So did, over the years, 19 males also give massages to Mr. Epstein? 20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I did say, I 21 don't thin...
Page 113 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 113 ual, I was 4 going to say misconduct, but any sexual -- any sex at 5 all whatsoever on the plane? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never on the plane, 7 no. 8 TOD...
Page 114 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 114 Page 114 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't say that. I 2 might have -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I definitely mig
Page 115 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 115 wanted to -- made him get more massages or that was 16 just one part of what changed about him? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, he became more 18 aggressi...
Page 116 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 116 16 1 progression or change, let's focus on that time 2 period, so the more towards the late '90s. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The testosterone. 4 Yeah, okay....
Page 117 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 117 Page 117 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or maybe that's not right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's not right. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Let me take back what I 4 just said. Ignore...
Page 118 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 118 im. 6 TODD BLANCHE: When you said he said that, 7 you mean he regularly told you that? Like he -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When I first -- 9 because when ...
Page 119 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 119 t, did you think to yourself, 9 well, geez, that makes sense now that I think about 10 it or no? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: First of all, I 12 didn't -- th...
Page 120 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 120 Page 120 1 register, because -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- along with all of 4 those -- well, not in 2006, but later when the more ...
Page 121 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 121 008, they had 3 interviewed 44 women, let's say, or around that 4 number. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: You have to 7 understand, not a...
Page 122 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 122 Page 122 1 have to -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- hear my point of 4 view. It's better if it comes from her own words and 5 that way...
Page 123 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 123 Page 123 1 and trained her and not you. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So wait. So then in 3 her first FBI meeting, she reports seeing a woman 4 with short dark...
Page 124 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 124 Page 124 1 DAVID MARKUS: -- stop there and let him 2 ask the next question. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE: You're good. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWE...
Page 125 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 125 Page 125 1 to this obviously -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- so that's a 4 separate story. I'm not going to pretend -- well, 5 we'l...
Page 126 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 126 , either 11 like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or 12 just generally with FBI agents? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 14 TODD BLANCHE: Do you thi...
Page 127 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 127 in. 6 TODD BLANCHE: What do you mean by that? 7 When you said "finding money," what do you mean? 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, his business 9 where he --...
Page 128 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 128 that whole aspect of that is -- can I use a 3 bad word? 4 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Bullshit. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay....
Page 129 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 129 Page 129 1 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So I want to just shift for 4 a few minutes to talk about post-2000. 2000 ...
Page 130 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 130 s, Barings Bank and he had like, sort 5 of -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: That was, you're talking 7 about -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before he met me. 9 TODD BLANCH...
Page 131 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 131 iana, but -- I'm not 21 going to do that. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So that was 23 pre-meeting you. 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, that was -- that 25 event h...
Page 132 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 132 Page 132 1 TODD BLANCHE: Oh, okay. That was 2 (Inaudible). 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I would -- 4 sometime -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: Understood. 6 GHISLAIN...
Page 133 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 133 for the record. She was 10 in -- do you want to ask me something? 11 TODD BLANCHE: No, go ahead. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. She was -- she 13 had a h...
Page 134 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 134 Page 134 1 an exact date, but when, approximately, was that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, we can date it 3 from that picture, if you find me the picture...
Page 135 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 135 d a role in them getting 5 together. You're just saying you didn't say, Prince, 6 here's Jeffrey. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would never have 8 introduced...
Page 136 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 136 ce Andrew and Mr. Epstein's relationship, from 10 the times you just described or you give me -- 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So after that, 12 at some...
Page 137 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 137 CHE: And then with respect to 23 and Prince Andrew, what do you know about 24 that relationship? 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Would you like to ask DOJ REDAC...
Page 138 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 138 7 before you say what you read, because that's one of 8 the problems is that we're all kind of -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I 10 know -- 1...
Page 139 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 139 23 come -- this is where it will -- allegedly started. 24 LEAH SAFFIAN: And they went to Tramp. 25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, right. We went to DOJ REDACT...
Page 141 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 141 roximately an hour outside of London, an hour and 4 a half -- 5 LEAH SAFFIAN: An hour and a half. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- an hour and a half 7 outside...
Page 142 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 142 Page 142 1 feet in total. Well, maybe that; is that right? 2 Maybe nine -- 3 LEAH SAFFIAN: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It is on three floors, 5 however....
Page 143 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 143 room, you saw like a hundred of you, like you do 6 if you were in -- 7 DAVID MARKUS: A fun house. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, well, Alice in 9 Wonderla...
Page 144 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 144 So you think it's kind of 5 logistically and physically not something that could 6 have happened. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, there's that. 8 And there...
Page 145 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 145 st to be clear, the 7 photo, you're talking about, you're talking about the 8 famous one where -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I have a image 10 of it h...
Page 146 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 146 Well, without -- 16 putting aside the relationship, why do you think they 17 created that story? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe that story 19 was cre...
Page 147 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 147 ake. 3 Do you think it was just misdated or do 4 you think it's a fake -- literally a fake photo? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe it's 6 literally a fa...
Page 148 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 148 Page 148 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not. 2 TODD BLANCHE: So you don't have a 3 specific recollection of kind of being at an event
Page 149 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 149 young women who were masseuses would be 9 invited to the party, as guests or his entertainment? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I certainly went to 11 his house...
Page 150 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 150 know -- so you don't 2 remember -- you didn't attend President Clinton's 3 daughter's wedding -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- Chelse...
Page 151 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 151 use and became friendly 13 with him, because of Philip Levine. 14 DAVID MARKUS: Because of what? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Philip Levine. 16 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 152 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 152 Page 152 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Yeah. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- I'm not suggesting that 3 I know the answer to it. I'm generally ju
Page 153 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 153 to believe me and -- because I mean this. There 3 is so much information in the public sphere -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I see. Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 154 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 154 Page 154 1 Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding 4 in -- 5 TODD BLANCHE: So when would that have...
Page 155 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 155 Page 155 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, we knew each 2 other. I thought he was wonderful and fun and I 3 enjoyed meeting him, but
Page 156 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 156 er. I think 5 that's what happened. I think that's it. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And why do you think that? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because it just popped 8 into m...
Page 157 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 157 Page 157 1 anything inappropriate? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- did you -- 4 do you know one way or the other,...
Page 159 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 159 - that's the 7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period 9 of that? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after 11 I brok...
Page 160 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 160 Page 160 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I was in 2 charge. 3 TODD BLANCHE: So back in like '90, early 4 '90s? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL:
Page 161 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 161 Page 161 1 island? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he go to Palm -- 4 meet -- go to Palm Beach House? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Y
Page 162 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 162 Page 162 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- 2 first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of 3 relationship with Harvey Wein
Page 163 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 163 d, do you know 15 whether Mr. Epstein was involved in your family 16 business, that you know of? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not, in any 18 respe...
Page 164 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 164 there's no -- he wouldn't have done 5 business with your father's companies in the '80s 6 either. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. I'm a 8 hundred...
Page 165 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 165 Page 165 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there is nothing 2 like that. 3 TODD BLANCHE: That you know of. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That I --
Page 166 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 166 said you think you might know or 8 that you're aware of kind of the origin of this 9 narrative. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to 11 reitera...
Page 167 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 167 he, Brad Edwards 7 becomes a cooperating witness -- cooperating -- 8 LEAH SAFFIAN: Confidential. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- confidential 10 informant, so...
Page 171 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 171 nd that is 9 the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of 10 that. 11 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was 13 created --...
Page 172 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 172 t, it's 11 just manufactured. Meaning, have you seen the list, 12 even fake? Like do you know -- 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I haven't seen it, but 14 what ...
Page 173 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 173 hey never ever 3 say that they were farmed out to anybody. 4 TODD BLANCHE: But the list itself -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: -- where i...
Page 174 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 174 ng, is that somewhere 17 along the way he went through and kind of marked that 18 list to say -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where 20 that book...
Page 175 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 175 h big parts of it redacted publicly, 8 because there was people's addresses and whatnot on 9 it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. That's what I'm 11 talking...
Page 176 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 176 st or black book or a list of 20 individuals who, you know, linked to certain 21 masseuses or -- 22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. 23 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 177 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 177 t a 7 birthday book that you assembled for Mr. Epstein, I 8 think, for his 50th birthday in 2003. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true. 10 TODD BLANCHE: W...
Page 178 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 178 Page 178 1 birthday, say anything you want on a piece of paper. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, nothing more 4 than that. 5 T...
Page 179 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 179 Page 179 1 note? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Do you think the 4 articles -- well, do you remember seeing that book or
Page 180 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 180 d -- a picture of a naked woman or 2 something like that. 3 Do you have any recollection of that? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. But just -- 5 no, I d...
Page 181 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 181 Page 181 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do remember some 2 pages. 3 TODD BLANCHE: -- seeing some pages of the 4 book? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWEL
Page 182 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 182 Do you know whether 9 Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane to 10 any of his houses? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that 12 friendship...
Page 183 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 183 Page 183 1 TODD BLANCHE: Who's that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Reid is a Silicon 3 Valley guy. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Is what? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Silicon Valley...
Page 184 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 184 Page 184 1 That list, do you know how that list was 2 created? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. That -- all that 4 stuff that came out of that book, I now fin...
Page 185 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 185 Page 185 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So there would've -- 2 so there's two things -- well, three ways. So I know 3 that the house itsel
Page 186 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 186 od, 3 would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind 4 of maintained or who maintained it? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- 6 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 187 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 187 Page 187 1 about it. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I can't -- 4 let's put it this way. If he did, I have no 5 recollection o...
Page 188 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 188 Page 188 1 DAVID MARKUS: But it's still enforceable 2 as to her. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, he never said, 4 hey, do you -- are you happy with this ...
Page 189 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 189 during 7 that time, like when he was allowed to leave during 8 the day or travel during the day? 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never called him. I 10 never s...
Page 190 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 190 Page 190 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- 3 we asked this -- we talked about thi
Page 191 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 191 Page 191 1 taking testosterone. Did you ever know him to take 2 any other drugs? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, he took 4 pills for his heart, I thi...
Page 192 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 192 Page 192 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember any 3 conversations with Epstein about a book that Mr.
Page 193 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 193 Page 193 1 relationship; close, friendly? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My personal? 3 TODD BLANCHE: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not that close, but 5 friendly e...
Page 194 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 194 about the book anyway. 21 Do you remember asking President Trump to 22 submit a letter for that? 23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. 24 TODD BLANCHE: And ...
Page 195 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 195 Page 195 1 somebody else -- would somebody else have done that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did ask some people. 3 I don't remember Mr. Trump. I don't reme...
Page 196 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 196 ak, Prime Minister Barak, do you know what the 3 nature of his relationship was with Mr. Epstein? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Do you...
Page 197 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 197 Page 197 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did she -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't know she was 4 a gymnast. 5 TODD BLA
Page 198 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 198 Page 198 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark 3 Middleton -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes,
Page 199 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 199 ng Mark Middleton at the 2 island. 3 TODD BLANCHE: How about former US Senator 4 George Mitchell? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I do remember 6 George. 7...
Page 200 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 200 Page 200 1 to New Mexico? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 3 remember George ever at the island. But the most 4 memorable trip I do recall
Page 201 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 201 ge 201 1 in a pub in Dublin. 2 TODD BLANCHE: And did he travel with 3 Mr. Epstein, that you know? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't 5 know if --...
Page 202 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 202 Page 202 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I 3 think. 4 TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names 5 that we might talk about
Page 203 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 203 Page 203 1 that observed something? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever 3 reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that 4 is no. And also...
Page 204 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 204 d seen and your knowledge of 5 Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew 6 him, right? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a 8 third ...
Page 205 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 205 so 5 you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given 6 all the things we just talked about. 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he 8 died by su...
Page 206 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 206 Page 206 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or 2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a little ...
Page 207 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 207 and powerful people, that's what 13 I -- do you have any reason to believe that that's 14 true? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not have any 16 reason to b...
Page 208 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 208 Page 208 1 spoke with him? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Maybe 2016, 2017, 3 maybe 2016 -- 2015, 2016, 2017 in that area, I 4 believe. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And
Page 209 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 209 Page 209 1 TODD BLANCHE: What did you think he was 2 angry with you about? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was angry 4 that I had even said that I had...
Page 210 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 210 14 behaving much differently. Did you believe what you 15 were hearing about him at that point? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't 17 like the p...
Page 213 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 213 ldn't take the lack of a next step as anything 15 other than, we don't have a next step yet, so. 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: May I say something? 17 TODD BL...
Page 214 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf - 214 ddressed. I've seen it, it struck me, and I would 7 like to give it to you. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: For what it's worth. 10 TODD BL...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 1 Page 1 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 24, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deput...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 2 s well. 22 And then David. 23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar 24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Lea...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 3 3 (Pages 6 to 9) 3 (Pages 6 to 9) Page 6 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've 3 already signed it, as has Special Agen...
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 4 t 5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you 7 met -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met 9 Mr. Eps...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 5 in have a business relationship over the years? 7 I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- 9 TODD BL...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 6 me period or whatever, but to the extent 9 you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just 11 full di...
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 7 7 (Pages 22 to 25) 7 (Pages 22 to 25) Page 22 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. 3 TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition...
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 8 ve the first 2 thing that he purchased after was the ranch in 3 New Mexico. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had 6 tasked me ...
Page 9 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 9 5 very different financially. You -- you're very 6 different financially positioned than he is -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- ...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 10 lane 2 for that trip? I don't mean everybody. 3 When you said, so Mr. Epstein was on the 4 plane? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: You were o...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 11 e period is 3 there like more of a break, where you're no longer 4 acting as his general manager? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to 6 have a fu...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 12 cords or subpoena anything from your financial 3 life, during that time? During the -- that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not as far as I'm 5 aware. ...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 13 13 (Pages 46 to 49) 13 (Pages 46 to 49) Page 46 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't -- I 2 didn't -- I didn't -- I'm not sure even what I 3 thought. I was l...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 14 had to find someone who was trilingual 2 to -- and that he trusted -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not 5 steal from h...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 15 ." 17 What did you learn about his wealth and 18 how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he 20 told ...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 16 16 (Pages 58 to 61) 16 (Pages 58 to 61) Page 58 1 hypothetical -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- the -- please, 3 that was completely hypothetical. 4 TOD...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 17 1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't -- 2 sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was t...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 18 mean, he -- I really had a 2 separate life. We really had separate lives -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they 5 synced. ...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 19 the entire time. And 3 it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... 4 TODD BLANCHE: Understand. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 G...
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 20 20 (Pages 74 to 77) 20 (Pages 74 to 77) Page 74 1 say that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me 3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 21 21 (Pages 78 to 81) 21 (Pages 78 to 81) Page 78 1 doing. Yes. I didn't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any 4 electricia...
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 22 o exists, like what we're talking 2 about, or photos were taken that -- that were 3 compromising? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in the -- in both 5 of those...
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 23 I think that this, 3 what you were talking about is a later version. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that -- is that? 6 TODD BL...
Page 24 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 24 90 to 93) Page 90 1 DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients 3 themselves? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 25 e started in the 2000s. 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- I appreciate. 2 TODD BLANCHE: In the 2000 time period? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So then I think -- SO 3 GHISLAI...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 26 had to watch him masturbate. Like the 3 things that have been publicly said about what he 4 did. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: For n...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 27 s. 15 Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as 16 having received massages? All of them. 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky 18 received a ma...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 28 -- 2 loved going there. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there 4 alone or with Mr. Epstein? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Do...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 29 g, namely around 2 young masseuses or young women who would be present 3 and what you observed -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- relatin...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 30 30 (Pages 114 to 117) 30 (Pages 114 to 117) Page 114 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't say that. I 2 might have -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWEL...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 31 im. 6 TODD BLANCHE: When you said he said that, 7 you mean he regularly told you that? Like he -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When I first -- 9 because when ...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 32 32 (Pages 122 to 125) 32 (Pages 122 to 125) Page 122 1 have to -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- hear my point of 4 view. It's better i...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 33 , either 11 like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or 12 just generally with FBI agents? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 14 TODD BLANCHE: Do you thi...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 34 s, Barings Bank and he had like, sort 5 of -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: That was, you're talking 7 about -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before he met me. 9 TODD BLANCH...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 35 es 134 to 137) 35 (Pages 134 to 137) Page 134 1 an exact date, but when, approximately, was that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, we can date it 3 from tha...
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 36 7 before you say what you read, because that's one of 8 the problems is that we're all kind of -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I 10 know -- 1...
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 37 ) Page 142 1 feet in total. Well, maybe that; is that right? 2 Maybe nine -- 3 LEAH SAFFIAN: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It is on three floors, 5 howeve...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 38 Well, without -- 16 putting aside the relationship, why do you think they 17 created that story? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe that story 19 was cre...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 39 know -- so you don't 2 remember -- you didn't attend President Clinton's 3 daughter's wedding -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- Chelse...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 40 ages 154 to 157) 40 (Pages 154 to 157) Page 154 1 Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding 4 in -- ...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 41 - that's the 7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period 9 of that? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after 11 I brok...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 42 42 (Pages 162 to 165) 42 (Pages 162 to 165) Page 162 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- 2 first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of 3 relatio...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 43 said you think you might know or 8 that you're aware of kind of the origin of this 9 narrative. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to 11 reitera...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 44 nd that is 9 the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of 10 that. 11 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was 13 created --...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 45 ng, is that somewhere 17 along the way he went through and kind of marked that 18 list to say -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where 20 that book...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 46 181) Page 178 1 birthday, say anything you want on a piece of paper. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, nothing more 4 than that...
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 47 Do you know whether 9 Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane to 10 any of his houses? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that 12 friendship...
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 48 od, 3 would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind 4 of maintained or who maintained it? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- 6 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 49 49 (Pages 190 to 193) 49 (Pages 190 to 193) Page 190 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- 3 we asked this ...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 50 about the book anyway. 21 Do you remember asking President Trump to 22 submit a letter for that? 23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. 24 TODD BLANCHE: And ...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 51 51 (Pages 198 to 201) 51 (Pages 198 to 201) Page 198 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark 3 Middleton -- 4 G...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 52 52 (Pages 202 to 205) 52 (Pages 202 to 205) Page 202 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I 3 think. 4 TODD BLANCHE: There'...
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 53 to 209) Page 206 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or 2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 54 14 behaving much differently. Did you believe what you 15 were hearing about him at that point? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't 17 like the p...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted) (1).pdf - 55 ddressed. I've seen it, it struck me, and I would 7 like to give it to you. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: For what it's worth. 10 TODD BL...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 1 Page 1 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 24, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Deput...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 2 s well. 22 And then David. 23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar 24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell. 25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Lea...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 3 3 (Pages 6 to 9) 3 (Pages 6 to 9) Page 6 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've 3 already signed it, as has Special Agen...
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 4 t 5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump. 6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you 7 met -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met 9 Mr. Eps...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 5 in have a business relationship over the years? 7 I know we're maybe jumping around a little bit. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They never met. So -- 9 TODD BL...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 6 me period or whatever, but to the extent 9 you can kind of, at a very high level, talk about it. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Listen, I think just 11 full di...
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 7 7 (Pages 22 to 25) 7 (Pages 22 to 25) Page 22 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heart condition. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Heart condition. 3 TODD BLANCHE: A heart condition...
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 8 ve the first 2 thing that he purchased after was the ranch in 3 New Mexico. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so what he had 6 tasked me ...
Page 9 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 9 5 very different financially. You -- you're very 6 different financially positioned than he is -- 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. 8 TODD BLANCHE: -- ...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 10 lane 2 for that trip? I don't mean everybody. 3 When you said, so Mr. Epstein was on the 4 plane? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 6 TODD BLANCHE: You were o...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 11 e period is 3 there like more of a break, where you're no longer 4 acting as his general manager? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to 6 have a fu...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 12 cords or subpoena anything from your financial 3 life, during that time? During the -- that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not as far as I'm 5 aware. ...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 13 13 (Pages 46 to 49) 13 (Pages 46 to 49) Page 46 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't -- I 2 didn't -- I didn't -- I'm not sure even what I 3 thought. I was l...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 14 had to find someone who was trilingual 2 to -- and that he trusted -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not 5 steal from h...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 15 ." 17 What did you learn about his wealth and 18 how he was -- and how he accumulated his money? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can tell you what he 20 told ...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 16 16 (Pages 58 to 61) 16 (Pages 58 to 61) Page 58 1 hypothetical -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- the -- please, 3 that was completely hypothetical. 4 TOD...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 17 1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't -- 2 sorry. 3 TODD BLANCHE: No -- no. Go ahead. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was t...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 18 mean, he -- I really had a 2 separate life. We really had separate lives -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they 5 synced. ...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 19 the entire time. And 3 it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... 4 TODD BLANCHE: Understand. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 7 G...
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 20 20 (Pages 74 to 77) 20 (Pages 74 to 77) Page 74 1 say that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me 3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 21 21 (Pages 78 to 81) 21 (Pages 78 to 81) Page 78 1 doing. Yes. I didn't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any 4 electricia...
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 22 o exists, like what we're talking 2 about, or photos were taken that -- that were 3 compromising? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in the -- in both 5 of those...
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 23 I think that this, 3 what you were talking about is a later version. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that -- is that? 6 TODD BL...
Page 24 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 24 90 to 93) Page 90 1 DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. 2 TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients 3 themselves? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. 5 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 25 e started in the 2000s. 1 TODD BLANCHE: -- I appreciate. 2 TODD BLANCHE: In the 2000 time period? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So then I think -- SO 3 GHISLAI...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 26 had to watch him masturbate. Like the 3 things that have been publicly said about what he 4 did. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: For n...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 27 s. 15 Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as 16 having received massages? All of them. 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky 18 received a ma...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 28 -- 2 loved going there. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there 4 alone or with Mr. Epstein? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Do...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 29 g, namely around 2 young masseuses or young women who would be present 3 and what you observed -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- relatin...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 30 30 (Pages 114 to 117) 30 (Pages 114 to 117) Page 114 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't say that. I 2 might have -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWEL...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 31 im. 6 TODD BLANCHE: When you said he said that, 7 you mean he regularly told you that? Like he -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When I first -- 9 because when ...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 32 32 (Pages 122 to 125) 32 (Pages 122 to 125) Page 122 1 have to -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- hear my point of 4 view. It's better i...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 33 , either 11 like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or 12 just generally with FBI agents? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 14 TODD BLANCHE: Do you thi...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 34 s, Barings Bank and he had like, sort 5 of -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: That was, you're talking 7 about -- 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before he met me. 9 TODD BLANCH...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 35 es 134 to 137) 35 (Pages 134 to 137) Page 134 1 an exact date, but when, approximately, was that? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, we can date it 3 from tha...
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 36 7 before you say what you read, because that's one of 8 the problems is that we're all kind of -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I 10 know -- 1...
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 37 ) Page 142 1 feet in total. Well, maybe that; is that right? 2 Maybe nine -- 3 LEAH SAFFIAN: Yes. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It is on three floors, 5 howeve...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 38 Well, without -- 16 putting aside the relationship, why do you think they 17 created that story? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe that story 19 was cre...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 39 know -- so you don't 2 remember -- you didn't attend President Clinton's 3 daughter's wedding -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- Chelse...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 40 ages 154 to 157) 40 (Pages 154 to 157) Page 154 1 Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding 4 in -- ...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 41 - that's the 7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay. 8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period 9 of that? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after 11 I brok...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 42 42 (Pages 162 to 165) 42 (Pages 162 to 165) Page 162 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- 2 first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of 3 relatio...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 43 said you think you might know or 8 that you're aware of kind of the origin of this 9 narrative. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to 11 reitera...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 44 nd that is 9 the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of 10 that. 11 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was 13 created --...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 45 ng, is that somewhere 17 along the way he went through and kind of marked that 18 list to say -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where 20 that book...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 46 181) Page 178 1 birthday, say anything you want on a piece of paper. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, nothing more 4 than that...
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 47 Do you know whether 9 Mr. Gates traveled with Mr. Epstein on his plane to 10 any of his houses? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if that -- that 12 friendship...
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 48 od, 3 would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind 4 of maintained or who maintained it? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- 6 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 49 49 (Pages 190 to 193) 49 (Pages 190 to 193) Page 190 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- 3 we asked this ...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 50 about the book anyway. 21 Do you remember asking President Trump to 22 submit a letter for that? 23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. 24 TODD BLANCHE: And ...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 51 51 (Pages 198 to 201) 51 (Pages 198 to 201) Page 198 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark 3 Middleton -- 4 G...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 52 52 (Pages 202 to 205) 52 (Pages 202 to 205) Page 202 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I 3 think. 4 TODD BLANCHE: There'...
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 53 to 209) Page 206 1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or 2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 54 14 behaving much differently. Did you believe what you 15 were hearing about him at that point? 16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't 17 like the p...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf - 55 ddressed. I've seen it, it struck me, and I would 7 like to give it to you. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: For what it's worth. 10 TODD BL...
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 1 Page 216 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 25, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Dep...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 2 ed proffer agreement with Ms. Maxwell. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. 9 How are you? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning. 11 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 3 rent manner, but if 11 there's anything that I say that's confusing, 12 definitely interrupt me. 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I will. Thank you. 14 TODD BLAN...
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 4 't think 16 what you said yesterday is different than what you 17 just said. So, yes. There's -- 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. I just wanted 19 to be --...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 5 Page 220 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know, affirmatively, 3 whether that's true or false, or do you just
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 6 Page 221 1 was that for? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, first of all, I 3 don't -- I dispute the characterization that the 4 money was sent to me. 5
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 7 stantive 6 way -- I can't think of the right word. 7 DAVID MARKUS: Did you have control 8 over -- 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I had no control, is 10 what I'...
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 8 s or account that was controlled 5 by others, but in your name to, like, purchase a 6 helicopter? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, that's a very good 8 questi...
Page 9 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 9 to 2 reimburse him along the way for food and, you know, 3 so he took care of you for many years. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That is true. 5 TODD BLANCHE: O...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 10 I would give 16 him 50 percent or 25. 17 It was sort of -- it was random. 18 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I can tell you 20 what it i...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 11 hat business transaction and then I reaped the 9 profits. 10 TODD BLANCHE: And so -- but when -- 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that's millions of 12 dolla...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 12 Page 227 1 right. That had the doors that would come up like 2 this -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: There were only a very 5 limited num...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 13 Page 228 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So what whatever that 2 is -- and I just don't remember when that is. I'm 3 sorry. 4 TODD BLANCHE:
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 14 of millions of dollars. 10 TODD BLANCHE: That was -- that he was 11 trading for other people -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: -- or that...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 15 Page 230 1 your father's company had with -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 3 TODD BLANCHE: -- embezzlement or 4 allegations of -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 16 31 1 Was it -- was that the helicopter? 2 TODD BLANCHE: That was -- that's my 3 question for you. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry. 5 TODD BLANCHE: I do...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 17 's, you know, 4 but there is the -- these massive amounts of money, 5 one-time payments that I -- 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I don't -- you'd 7 have to t...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 18 believe anyway. As far as I recollect, it 2 wouldn't show me spending it. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense? 5 TODD BLA...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 19 eaning, that's not money you received for your 9 benefit, even if it was put into your accounts. 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't believe any of 11 that ...
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 20 uiting young women. That is in your -- you're 11 saying that is categorically, completely false? 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That is categorically 13 false,...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 21 esent for that. 16 TODD BLANCHE: And that was the first time 17 you met him, as far as you know? 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: As far as I remember, 19 yes. 2...
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 22 ribbean for a 2 couple days, did you -- have you seen -- do you know 3 Mr. Musk beyond that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: We met at -- I was at 5 the Osc...
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 23 ink, yesterday in passing -- well, not in passing, 5 but as part of another answer, Andrew Cuomo. 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Did you kn...
Page 24 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 24 do you know whether 5 Mr. Epstein knew Andrew Cuomo or Chris Cuomo or 6 Ms. Kennedy, your friend? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't think so. 8 TODD BLANCH...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 25 n't think. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether -- 3 well, do you know former Senator Ted Kennedy? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 5 TODD BLANCHE: And does -...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 26 When was that, you know, 4 approximately? I'm not looking for an exact date, 5 but when was that? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was early -- that 7 was in...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 27 Page 242 1 you. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. The '80s. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So we're talking 5 about the 1980s. And then -- 6 GHI...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 28 Page 243 1 was -- he was well established. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't need me. 4 And he was, you know, his -- Eva was, you k...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 29 id that a lot, 2 because I appreciate we're talking about the '80s and 3 '90s and even the 2000s. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I just want you to 5 know, ...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 30 iate. Now, 9 somebody's inappropriate and mine may be different, 10 but -- 11 TODD BLANCHE: Yep. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- we're not talking 13 about a...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 31 6 1 Mr. Epstein and Mr. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, continued 2 to have relationships into the 2000s? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I have no personal 4 knowledge ...
Page 32 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 32 Page 247 1 TODD BLANCHE: How do you know Ms. Mills? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Ms. Mills 3 through President Clinton. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember ...
Page 33 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 33 Page 248 1 which you met Ms. Mills? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I went on a trip with 3 the President to South America. 4 TODD BLANCHE: With which president?...
Page 34 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 34 Page 249 1 TODD BLANCHE: And was Mr. Epstein? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And what was the purpose of 4 that trip? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: W...
Page 35 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 35 Page 250 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I don't -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah, that's -- don't over 3 think or under think the reason fo
Page 36 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 36 Page 251 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I don't know. I 2 mean, nothing. He -- I don't believe there was any 3 relationship, other th
Page 37 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 37 Page 252 1 President. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think this is -- but 4 if I'm right, and I think I am, I think that trip 5 happened...
Page 38 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 38 Clinton 9 and others. 10 Were there other -- over the years, did 11 you do that more than once? 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: We'll talk...
Page 39 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 39 t's like, whoa, 3 okay. 4 TODD BLANCHE: So, I understand, but 5 talk -- so don't give me spec- -- 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. 7 TODD BLANCHE: -- I und...
Page 40 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 40 Page 255 1 they're not all going to pop into my head, so. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So I started 4 spending a lot of time. I d...
Page 41 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 41 o there -- so it sounds 7 like you're describing one -- right now, one trip 8 with lots of stops. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It could be, but I 10 have a fe...
Page 42 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 42 Page 257 1 Mr. Epstein's plane? Again, I'm not holding you to 2 exact, but -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was a full, that 4 was packed. Because it was ...
Page 43 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 43 ? So different than being 12 with him, with respect to his foundation or something 13 like this? 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would say no. 15 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 44 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 44 Page 259 1 Secretary Clinton, Hillary Clinton? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 3 TODD BLANCHE: When did you meet her? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say -- ...
Page 45 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 45 Epstein had -- knew or had any sort of visit 10 dealings or -- associated with Hillary Clinton? 11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would say no. 12 TODD BLANCHE:...
Page 46 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 46 d 4 himself," meaning like, give money to the Clinton 5 Global Initiative or something like this? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so there's that. 7 I thin...
Page 47 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 47 2 So I put them together. 13 TODD BLANCHE: Who -- what's that person's 14 name? Do you remember? 15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I knew you were going 16 to ask...
Page 48 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 48 Page 263 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It will come to me. 2 It may come to me tomorrow, but eventually these 3 things, like, surface fro
Page 49 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 49 a. I don't really care what 8 you think, but that didn't go over so well. 9 TODD BLANCHE: And -- 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I just want to 11 say, it w...
Page 50 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 50 Page 265 1 TODD BLANCHE: No, I understand. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you go to Davos with 4 President Clinton more than once or j...
Page 51 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 51 Did -- did you ever go with 3 President Clinton to any of Epstein -- Mr. Epstein's 4 properties? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- 6 TODD BLANCHE: -- so like ...
Page 52 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 52 Page 267 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: She's -- well, I had 2 a -- I don't know if she liked me very much. I think 3 my friendship with h
Page 53 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 53 Page 268 1 LEAH SUFFIAN: The letter. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't remember it. 3 TODD BLANCHE: It's okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. I don't -- it's 5...
Page 54 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 54 ow. I 3 don't know how to say that. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know Mr. Tucker 5 besides that flight? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 7 TODD BLANCHE: And do you ...
Page 55 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 55 Campbell, did they 3 ever travel to any of Mr. Epstein's properties; the 4 island or New Mexico? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not Mr. Tucker -- 6 well, not to...
Page 56 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 56 Page 271 1 separate friendship with her before you met 2 Mr. Epstein? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Larry Summers, the 5 former Se...
Page 57 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 57 Page 272 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think it was, yes. 2 TODD BLANCHE: Mr. Summers, do you know 3 why -- do you know what his relati
Page 58 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 58 Page 273 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Jon and -- I can't 2 think of his other child. I can't think of -- I 3 mean, I've lost his name. 4
Page 59 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 59 Page 274 1 whether Mr. Soros or his kids ever traveled on 2 Mr. Epstein's planes? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't think so. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Ever visit ei...
Page 60 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 60 Page 275 1 are you talking about? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Like '90s, or 2000s, or 4 both? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think the 2000s,...
Page 61 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 61 age 276 1 TODD BLANCHE: He had an island in the 2 Caribbean -- in the Caribbean near Mr. Epstein? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. In the British 4 Virgin I...
Page 62 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 62 h the mathematicians or -- 19 and with Harvard, and I think with MIT, to some 20 extent as well. 21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Official 22 (indiscernible) MIT...
Page 63 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 63 Page 278 1 with certain professors and others associated with 2 those institutions? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He really was 4 profoundly interested in that...
Page 64 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 64 You'll -- it'll come to you at the minute you put it 11 in your computer. 12 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And there had some of 14 the bi...
Page 65 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 65 l-Mann. Sorry, to go 11 off on a tangent. 12 TODD BLANCHE: This is at the Santa Fe 13 Institute? 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, thank you. And 15 Murray G...
Page 66 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 66 Page 281 1 and with -- and with MIT? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think that that 3 may have come with Wexner. I'm not sure, but that's 4 something that ...
Page 67 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 67 Page 282 1 unlimited funds? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: You said it perfectly. 3 I thought it was astonishing, but I didn't have any 4 reason to believe t
Page 69 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 69 18 about it last night. It's red and had hats, helmets. 19 Riddell's? 20 LEAH SAFFIAN: Riddell. 21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Riddell. Yeah, 22 Riddell's. 23 ...
Page 70 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 70 but that was before I think I came 2 in and he had it, or he said he did. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Got it. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And he had other 5 businesses. ...
Page 71 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 71 what they read, what do 22 you -- where does that leave you in your mind with 23 what happened? 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So I saw 25 Epstein with w...
Page 73 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 73 essive, I 2 suppose, to define that. So I never saw an 3 aggressive move. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Well -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never saw anything 6 that was...
Page 74 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 74 range of what that can -- how that can be 12 defined, but defining it in the broadest of terms. 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So him being physical 14 with wo...
Page 75 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 75 Page 290 1 very significant differential between the two. 2 TODD BLANCHE: So does the law. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Okay. So -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah....
Page 77 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 77 Page 292 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, I never knew that 2 and I can categorically state that had any child said 3 to me that they we
Page 78 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 78 not -- I just wanted to tell you how -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to 3 get into -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, no, no, I'm not -- 5 TODD B...
Page 79 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 79 f true would, by definition mean you 12 knew that she was under 18. 13 Do you recall doing that? 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. I mean, no 15 memory ...
Page 80 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 80 5 1 how Mr. Epstein changed, but at some point, 2 Mr. Epstein definitely preferred younger women? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I accept. 4 TODD BLANCHE: And I...
Page 81 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 81 ither not 5 telling the truth or were not remembering what 6 happened the way that -- accurately? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's a very fair 8 question. ...
Page 82 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 82 Page 297 1 TODD BLANCHE: I see. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- but I'm talking 3 about the first time she came to Epstein's house, 4 which I knew -- 5 TODD B...
Page 83 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 83 12 that I don't find it -- you know, at some -- that's 13 persuasive, right, that that happened. 14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So -- 15 TODD BLANCHE: An...
Page 85 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 85 Page 300 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think it's 2 helpful to put this on -- the time on the calendar, 3 because I think without th
Page 87 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 87 t want to -- I don't want -- 2 I don't want to have you -- I don't think it's 3 helpful for us -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- have y...
Page 88 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 88 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Of course. 11 DAVID MARKUS: Can I just ask some basic 12 top line questions? 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 14 DAVID MARKUS: Were you ...
Page 89 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 89 Page 304 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never saw that. 2 DAVID MARKUS: Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That I remember. 4 DAVID MARKUS: Okay
Page 90 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 90 Page 305 1 present, but I've seen him on a massage -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry, I just -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever s...
Page 91 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 91 Page 306 1 TODD BLANCHE: So it wasn't -- 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But maybe -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: -- your -- it wasn't your 4 job -- 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No....
Page 92 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 92 Page 307 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That is categorically 2 not true. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- moving past 4 the -- and moving into
Page 93 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 93 e 308 1 repeated reports of certain sex acts happening with 2 you present and even participating? 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- ...
Page 95 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 95 ng him massages. I think it's -- it would 11 be an understatement to say that that's not normal? 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I agree. 13 TODD BLANCHE: We've...
Page 96 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 96 music and -- 11 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah, but that's different, 12 like, a masseuse coming every day. 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm just telling you 14 what he ...
Page 97 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 97 he was able to hide 16 this, what seems to me to be some sort of sexual 17 fixation or issue -- 18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- 19 TODD BLANCHE: -- f...
Page 100 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 100 Page 315 1 TODD BLANCHE: No, I understand. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Thank you. I 3 just want to be clear that I'm not trying to be cute 4 or anythin...
Page 101 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 101 on during them, or things like that? And I'm 11 obviously asking this because that's what the -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. 13 TODD BLANCHE: -- that'...
Page 102 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 102 Page 317 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and you're talking 2 about very substantial people. And you are 3 extrapolating because the nar
Page 104 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 104 D BLANCHE: So when's the last time you 3 think you were with Mr. Epstein when he got a 4 massage? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say 2007. 6 TODD BLAN...
Page 105 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 105 Page 320 1 were people there, but I did -- that were women. And 2 I was -- 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- just relieved not 5 to -- 6 T...
Page 106 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 106 heir relationship continued without 15 you, like, when you kind of moved on past 16 Mr. Epstein? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't believe so. 18 TODD BLA...
Page 107 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 107 9 had been signed. 10 Did you know -- do you know where he got 11 that picture or that painting? 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The first I saw it was 13 in th...
Page 108 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 108 Page 323 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 2 TODD BLANCHE: The circumstances in which 3 he got it? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 5 TODD BLANCH
Page 109 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 109 he 2 started, but it wasn't -- he had patches -- 3 testosterone patches -- 4 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- dermal. 6 TODD BLANCHE: Like ...
Page 110 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 110 Page 325 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. That is what I 2 believe today, yes. But given -- if any of the 3 stories are true, even if
Page 111 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 111 Page 326 1 whatever words you need. Yes. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Blowjob. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He liked blowjobs. 5 TODD BLANCHE: O...
Page 112 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 112 tion, just so I'll make 11 sure that there's no confusion. 12 When -- when you over the years -- 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry, can I just -- 14 TODD BL...
Page 113 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 113 2 intercourse, not a blowjob, nothing else, where you 3 either walked in or you were in the room? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never saw him have 5 sex with...
Page 114 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 114 re, I don't recall that, I don't have 6 a specific memory of it. I'm sorry. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But no, I'm not -- 9 TODD BLANC...
Page 115 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 115 s that come to mind of 2 people that you know did get massages when they were 3 with Mr. Epstein? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there's no list. 5 There's ...
Page 116 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 116 16 birthday book from 2003 that we talked about 17 yesterday. 18 Is -- did you see that letter. 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did see the letter. 20 TODD BL...
Page 117 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 117 birthday book, as they're calling it, what it, like, 6 looked like? Like how it was put together? 7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do. 8 TODD BLANCHE: What do y...
Page 118 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 118 Page 333 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's about right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: And then around like -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: A4. A4. We had A4
Page 119 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 119 glue that keeps 3 a regular book, a novel that you would read together, 4 it was bound that way? 5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Like a -- I believe 6 so. I don'...
Page 120 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 120 n case you 7 remember anything differently. You recall seeing 8 some of the letters in discovery. 9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do. 10 TODD BLANCHE: But you ...
Page 121 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25 (Redacted).pdf - 121 Page 336 1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I assumed that 3 they leaked it because where else would it be, if 4 that's what it is. If it'
Page 1 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 1 Page 216 United States Department of Justice INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL DATE: July 25, 2025 APPEARANCES: For the United States: Todd Blanche, Dep...
Page 2 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 2 ed proffer agreement with Ms. Maxwell. 8 TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell. 9 How are you? 10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning. 11 TODD BLANCHE: ...
Page 3 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 3 3 (Pages 221 to 224) 3 (Pages 221 to 224) Page 221 1 was that for? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, first of all, I 3 don't -- I dispute the characterizatio...
Page 4 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 4 I would give 16 him 50 percent or 25. 17 It was sort of -- it was random. 18 TODD BLANCHE: So -- 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I can tell you 20 what it i...
Page 5 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 5 of millions of dollars. 10 TODD BLANCHE: That was -- that he was 11 trading for other people -- 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: -- or that...
Page 6 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 6 believe anyway. As far as I recollect, it 2 wouldn't show me spending it. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Right. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense? 5 TODD BLA...
Page 7 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 7 ribbean for a 2 couple days, did you -- have you seen -- do you know 3 Mr. Musk beyond that time? 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: We met at -- I was at 5 the Osc...
Page 8 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 8 When was that, you know, 4 approximately? I'm not looking for an exact date, 5 but when was that? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was early -- that 7 was in...
Page 9 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 9 iate. Now, 9 somebody's inappropriate and mine may be different, 10 but -- 11 TODD BLANCHE: Yep. 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- we're not talking 13 about a...
Page 10 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 10 10 (Pages 249 to 252) 10 (Pages 249 to 252) Page 249 1 TODD BLANCHE: And was Mr. Epstein? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 3 TODD BLANCHE: And what was the pu...
Page 11 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 11 Clinton 9 and others. 10 Were there other -- over the years, did 11 you do that more than once? 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. 13 TODD BLANCHE: We'll talk...
Page 12 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 12 (Pages 257 to 260) Page 257 1 Mr. Epstein's plane? Again, I'm not holding you to 2 exact, but -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was a full, that 4 was pack...
Page 13 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 13 d 4 himself," meaning like, give money to the Clinton 5 Global Initiative or something like this? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so there's that. 7 I thin...
Page 14 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 14 14 (Pages 265 to 268) 14 (Pages 265 to 268) Page 265 1 TODD BLANCHE: No, I understand. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Did you go to Davos ...
Page 15 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 15 ow. I 3 don't know how to say that. 4 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know Mr. Tucker 5 besides that flight? 6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 7 TODD BLANCHE: And do you ...
Page 16 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 16 16 (Pages 273 to 276) 16 (Pages 273 to 276) Page 273 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Jon and -- I can't 2 think of his other child. I can't think of -- I 3 mean,...
Page 17 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 17 h the mathematicians or -- 19 and with Harvard, and I think with MIT, to some 20 extent as well. 21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Official 22 (indiscernible) MIT...
Page 18 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 18 18 (Pages 281 to 284) 18 (Pages 281 to 284) Page 281 1 and with -- and with MIT? 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think that that 3 may have come with Wexner...
Page 19 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 19 but that was before I think I came 2 in and he had it, or he said he did. 3 TODD BLANCHE: Got it. 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And he had other 5 businesses. ...
Page 20 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 20 range of what that can -- how that can be 12 defined, but defining it in the broadest of terms. 13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So him being physical 14 with wo...
Page 21 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 21 not -- I just wanted to tell you how -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to 3 get into -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, no, no, I'm not -- 5 TODD B...
Page 22 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 22 22 (Pages 297 to 300) 22 (Pages 297 to 300) Page 297 1 TODD BLANCHE: I see. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- but I'm talking 3 about the first time she came to...
Page 23 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 23 t want to -- I don't want -- 2 I don't want to have you -- I don't think it's 3 helpful for us -- 4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. 5 TODD BLANCHE: -- have y...
Page 24 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 24 ges 305 to 308) Page 305 1 present, but I've seen him on a massage -- 2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Okay. 3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry, I just -- 4 TODD BLANCHE...
Page 25 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 25 ng him massages. I think it's -- it would 11 be an understatement to say that that's not normal? 12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I agree. 13 TODD BLANCHE: We've...
Page 26 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 26 my 25 stepchildren, and all, but okay. Sorry, just -- Page 315 1 TODD BLANCHE: No, I understand. 2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Thank you. I 3 just want t...
Page 27 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 27 27 (Pages 317 to 320) 27 (Pages 317 to 320) Page 317 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and you're talking 2 about very substantial people. And you are 3 extrapo...
Page 28 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 28 heir relationship continued without 15 you, like, when you kind of moved on past 16 Mr. Epstein? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't believe so. 18 TODD BLA...
Page 29 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 29 29 (Pages 325 to 328) 29 (Pages 325 to 328) Page 325 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. That is what I 2 believe today, yes. But given -- if any of the 3 sto...
Page 30 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 30 re, I don't recall that, I don't have 6 a specific memory of it. I'm sorry. 7 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. 8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But no, I'm not -- 9 TODD BLANC...
Page 31 Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.25-cft (Redacted).pdf - 31 31 (Pages 333 to 336) 31 (Pages 333 to 336) Page 333 1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's about right. 2 TODD BLANCHE: And then around like -- 3 GHISLAINE MAXW...
Page 1 Signed Maxwell Proffer Agreement (Redacted).pdf - 1 PROFFER AGREEMENT With respect to the meeting of Ghislaine Maxwell ("Client") and his attorney, David Oscar Markus, Esq., with Deputy Attorney General...
Page 1 Trial Day 3 - 745.pdf - 1 N DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ------------------------------x UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v. 20 CR 330 (AJN) GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. Jury Trial ---------...
Page 37 Trial Day 3 - 745.pdf - 37 SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 LC1VMAX1 Jane - cross Q. And there's no mention of Ghislaine Maxwell; correct? A. Correct. MS. MENNIN...
Page 38 Trial Day 3 - 745.pdf - 38 he knew your dad and admired him? A. I don't recall. Q. Isn't it true you told Brian nothing about Ghislaine Maxwell being there at all; correct? A. I...
Page 64 Trial Day 3 - 745.pdf - 64 orm. THE COURT: Sustained. Q. Yesterday you were asked: "Q. Did there ever come a time when you saw Ghislaine Maxwell without her clothes on?" Do you ...
Page 140 Trial Day 3 - 745.pdf - 140 mber what trip this was for, something having to do with a sibling. Q. None of these trips involved Ghislaine Maxwell, right? A. No. Q. You didn't tra...
Page 205 Trial Day 3 - 745.pdf - 205 es. Q. Is your birthday in the summer? A. Yes. Q. Do you remember which week of summer camp you met Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein? A. No. Q. H...
Page 240 Trial Day 3 - 745.pdf - 240 uldn't have known that it wasn't free. Q. Did there come a time when you learned that a woman named Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested? A. Yes. Q. Was tha...